Calgary Herald - Guns taken by RCMP from High River Homes

[Union Millwright]

Mtgiant and big Dave and who ever else thinks this is ok.
Except its not funny

[gopher]

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

Thanks for showing your mindset to all Mr MillWrong
Again....another comment from an unknowing soldier.....read much about gun laws????.....or are you just another guess monkey???

Did you read post #466????

Are you gonna call elkhunter out too???

The post you made #451 while correct is only one form of storage. There are several forms of safe storage that you had no clue about until elk kindly pointed out.

[Union Millwright]

I do have friends that are rcmp but we need to keep some dignity police should have left the owners property where it was storage of a nonrestricted firearm is not complicated trigger locked or bolt removed is enough I would hope they would screw the door they kicked in shut and close your home up and not leave it wide open.

[elkhunter11]

My information is fact my friend.

And elkhunter11 even posted it.....#466 for your referance

Did you read post #466????

Are you gonna call elkhunter out too???

I posted actual legislation, however in post #451 you only posted one option as to the safe storage of firearms, according to the firearms regulations. There are other options that meet the legal requirements. As such, your post #451 is not correct, due to you failing to acknowledge the other options.

I would hope they would screw the door they kicked in shut and close your home up and not leave it wide open.

I for one would not consider it satisfactory for someone that broke into my home, to simply screw the door back in place or board up the door or window that they broke. I would expect that they left it as they found it. How would you feel about returning to your home to find a door or window broken , by the people that are paid to protect your property?

[Union Millwright]

I agree it should be fixed proper and really believe it should not have happened but I don't want to get into it on a forum like this best thing to do is wait for facts and first hand stories from home owners to see how they feel, as a community we need to stand up and make our feelings known i want my daughter growing up in a free society.

[geezer55]

Commentary on Sun News, if already posted, sorry.
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/f.../2516263737001

[Master_Baitcaster]

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

Aaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha......

We need a "shake hands" emoticon
Can you get that one ABB??????

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

Thats awesome thanks

Can this somehow be added to the AOF emoticon list??

it is on the list you just have to select "More" on th e bottom, and its near the bottom of that list

[just_dave]

Originally Posted by MtnGiant

.....or are you just another guess monkey???

You basically lay cover fire in every thread, so how about you calm down with insults ending with question marks.

The rest of us are expected to.

[MtnGiant]

Originally Posted by Master_Baitcaster

it is on the list you just have to select "More" on th e bottom, and its near the bottom of that list

And thank you again

[wolfhunter]

I think people should get their facts straight, the RCMP where only collecting firearms that were not locked up. Not one person has said on this forum that the only reason they were taking the guns was to keep the guns from falling into the wrong hands. Whose to stop people from breaking into these homes and end up selling them on this forum. It just shows you how many people here just keep there firearms in the closet, if you are a responsibly gun owner then all your firearms should be locked up and I don't mean in your basement closet.

[leeaspell]

Actually never mind, I'm not jumping in to this

[Taco]

Originally Posted by leeaspell

Actually never mind, I'm not jumping in to this

Oh hell, 4 threads on the same subject ain't makin' it easy.

[just_dave]

Originally Posted by leeaspell

Actually never mind, I'm not jumping in to this

Don't worry, that copy and paste post ahead of yours doesn't hold water. It was dismantled in another thread.

[smorrfish]

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[KWO]

Originally Posted by wolfhunter

I think people should get their facts straight, the RCMP where only collecting firearms that were not locked up. Not one person has said on this forum that the only reason they were taking the guns was to keep the guns from falling into the wrong hands. Whose to stop people from breaking into these homes and end up selling them on this forum. It just shows you how many people here just keep there firearms in the closet, if you are a responsibly gun owner then all your firearms should be locked up and I don't mean in your basement closet.

You missed the point by a country mile.

[Smokey]

My childhood friend is Jon Denis, justice minister and MLA in Calgary who knows where. I was commenting last night on his FB page to some of his political collegues, and I posed the question why was the reserve outside Calgary not searched, Calgary, The Hat, etc. I said imagine the media shyt storm if they did this on the reserve. No one responded other then to say it was different jurstiction. Heck, did Cbc even cover the rifle story, I never saw it.

[elkhunter11]

You missed the point by a country mile.

He apparently also does not understand the regulations for the safe storage of non restricted firearms in Canada, if he thinks that they need to be locked up. If the bolt is removed, or if they have a trigger lock involved, it is perfectly legal to store them in a closet.

From the actual regulations.

STORAGE OF NON-RESTRICTED FIREARMS

5. (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraphs (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.

That OR is very important in understanding the regulations.

[wolfhunter]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

He apparently also does not understand the regulations for the safe storage of non restricted firearms in Canada, if he thinks that they need to be locked up. If the bolt is removed, or if they have a trigger lock involved, it is perfectly legal to store them in a closet.

From the actual regulations.



That OR is very important in understanding the regulations.

I understand what the regulations are, why wouldn't you go that extra step of locking them up so there not easily accessible to kids or criminals.

[Putter1022]

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[Gust]

Originally Posted by wolfhunter

I understand what the regulations are, why wouldn't you go that extra step of locking them up so there not easily accessible to kids or criminals.

The WHOLE TOWN is on lockdown,, there was nobody there except RC's and Military and EMS,, no kids, no criminals, nobody, nada, no one, not a soul, ghost town with zodiacs/jon boats buzzing about with military and RC's and EMS,, that's it.

Part II,,, if you wanted to sneak into High River for malintention/looting you would have had to park next to an armoured vehicle, then hiked through very muddy terrain, all the whilst slowly being drained of your blood by a gazillion skeeters, and it's quite a distance to trudge.

Part III,,, nobody seems to get shot in High River except movie actors shooting a movie.

[elkhunter11]

I understand what the regulations are, why wouldn't you go that extra step of locking them up so there not easily accessible to kids or criminals.

As long as a person stores his firearms according to the regulations, it is none of your business, why he choose to store them in the manner that he does.

As for myself, my non restricted firearms will never have a trigger lock on them, while I own them, but I do store them in accordance with the regulations.

And regardless of which method a person chooses, nobody has any business breaking into a person's home, and taking any firearms that are stored in accordance with the regulations.

[Putter1022]

Based on history, I don't know why anyone in High River would put a gun safe (or anything else valuable) in their basement.

[foothills26]

Originally Posted by wolfhunter

I understand what the regulations are, why wouldn't you go that extra step of locking them up so there not easily accessible to kids or criminals.

The whole point of this thread is how it was wrong. Even in your statement you should be able to see this. If the firearms were secured according to regulations then it was wrong the firearms should have never been touched. It is not about how much more secure the firearms could of been to prevent them from falling in to the wrong hands I mean heck I am sure that even you could find more ways to even further secure your guns if you want to go to even more extra steps. It still does not mean that your method of storage compared to others is more right as long as both meet the minimum regulations.

I also think that there should definitely be some foregiveness if they were not stored 100% properly as I am sure some people did take them out of lower parts of the house and moved them to higher spots and perhaps maybe never followed the regulations to a t but then again it was an emergency situation and as long as the gun was not sitting there loaded I don't see how in an empty town patrolled by RCMP and military in a house that was locked should be considered dangerous as I am sure that most were out of sight (ie. not sitting in the windows to show off that firearms were there), but this is just my two cents

[Putter1022]

Well just finished listening to the show. It's a full hour. I don't think Roy Green could have covered it any better.

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He is on again tomorrow.

He has a High River panel on there tomorrow.

Go Roy !!!!!

[fish gunner]

Originally Posted by foothills26

The whole point of this thread is how it was wrong. Even in your statement you should be able to see this. If the firearms were secured according to regulations then it was wrong the firearms should have never been touched. It is not about how much more secure the firearms could of been to prevent them from falling in to the wrong hands I mean heck I am sure that even you could find more ways to even further secure your guns if you want to go to even more extra steps. It still does not mean that your method of storage compared to others is more right as long as both meet the minimum regulations.

I also think that there should definitely be some foregiveness if they were not stored 100% properly as I am sure some people did take them out of lower parts of the house and moved them to higher spots and perhaps maybe never followed the regulations to a t but then again it was an emergency situation and as long as the gun was not sitting there loaded I don't see how in an empty town patrolled by RCMP and military in a house that was locked should be considered dangerous as I am sure that most were out of sight (ie. not sitting in the windows to show off that firearms were there), but this is just my two cents

No where in the thread title gives a bias for right or wrong. My thoughts carry folks in haste had unsecured firearm , the police secured these guns not door to door weapon sweeps which if one took the view of this thread is what has been suggested. If this was the case very few firearms would remain in high river. Right or wrong .

[MrDave]

The explanation given on this website is that theses weapons were found in "plain sight". Not sure what kind of person would store guns like that. That is all the explanation we will get for now, until legal actions are done. Then we will see what they say.

As stupid as humans are getting, I can believe that someone likely had the Prepper mentality and got caught away from their home. Need that gun handy, might need to protect themselves from some imaginary threat.

[Pincherguy]

Wolfhunter is without a doubt one of the guilty parties in the looting of these guns. His post is no another thread identical to the one he made here.

[elkhunter11]

The explanation given on this website is that theses weapons were found in "plain sight". Not sure what kind of person would store guns like that. That is all the explanation we will get for now, until legal actions are done. Then we will see what they say.

Do you consider being cased, and hidden in a closet to be "in plain sight"?

You might want to read the thread below.

http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=183406

[Hagalaz]

Originally Posted by Calgary Dave

That still wouldn't change your already-made-up mind.

To me, if I had accidentally left my $3,000 custom made rifle, with bolt removed and trigger lock in place, sitting on the upstairs bed...I would be only too happy to hear the RCMP had taken it and I could just go down to the detachment and get it back.

Then again, there's your take on it....

Ah, yet another RCMP apologist.

You may not mind the RCMP trampling on your rights, but most other Albertans certainly do.

And throwing random insults and sarcastic responses at people who don't agree with you won't sway anyone to see things your way.

[58thecat]

The sweep of residence/homes was to insure the safety of all people first and foremost. Yes people hide when scared even looters so an entire sweep MUST be carried out. Thus the closets, nooks and crannies are included. That being said guns with the potential to fall into the "bad guys" hands were identified and removed from homes. Civilians for the most part like to point fingers and lay blame BUT really never do much more than jump onto negative cancer acting conduct which is very contagious...lets all regroup, put energy into a positive focus and hope those affected by the flooding can regain their "quality of life" as it was prior to the flooding.