Vaccinations don't cause autism

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by bossmansteve

Great, someone finally posted the sole paper on this topic. This paper is purely theoretical in nature and has been widely panned. The CDC used to claim it as evidence that aluminum adjuvants were safe but removed it from their website in 2017.

Here's a published criticism of your paper:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29307441

Abstract:

Lol. Widely panned. Your uneducated and conspiracy website sponsored response.

I just can’t take you serious.

At least now you agree most vaccines have no aluminum and you are fine with them.

If you come up with something good to debate will happy to jump back in. Otherwise your trolling is getting repetitive and tiresome

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/30139653

2018 Sep 18;36(39):5825-5831. doi: 10.1016/j.vaccine.2018.08.036. Epub 2018 Aug 20.
Aluminum in vaccines: Does it create a safety problem?

Principi N1, Esposito S2.
Author information
1
Emeritus of Pediatrics, Università degli Studi di Milano, Milan, Italy.
2
Pediatric Clinic, Department of Surgical and Biomedical Sciences, Università degli Studi di Perugia, Perugia, Italy. Electronic address: susanna.esposito@unimi.it.
Abstract
For almost a century, aluminum (Al) in the form of Al oxyhydroxide (a crystalline compound), Al hydroxyphosphate (an amorphous Al phosphate hydroxide), Al phosphate, and Al potassium sulfate has been used to improve the immunogenicity of vaccines. Al is currently included in vaccines against tetanus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, human papillomavirus, Haemophilus influenzae type b, and infections due to Streptococcus pneumoniae and Neisseria meningitidis. Official health authorities consider the inclusion of Al in most of the presently recommended vaccines to be extremely effective and sufficiently safe. However, the inclusion of Al salts in vaccines has been debated for several years because of studies that seem to indicate that chronic Al exposure through vaccine administration can interfere with cellular and metabolic processes leading to severe neurologic diseases. Children, who in their first years of life receive several vaccine doses over a reduced period of time, would be most susceptible to any risk that might be associated with vaccines or vaccine components. The main aim of this paper was to discuss the data presently available regarding Al neurotoxicity and the risk for children receiving vaccines or other pharmaceutical preparations containing Al. Analysis of the literature showed that no apparent reason exists to support the elimination of Al from vaccines for fear of neurotoxicity. The only problem that deserves attention is the suggested relationship between Al oxyhydroxide-containing vaccines and macrophagic myofaciitis or myalgic encephalomyelitis/chronic fatigue syndrome. Currently, definitive conclusions cannot be drawn on these risks and further studies must be conducted. Until then, Al remains the best solution to improve vaccine efficacy.
Copyright © 2018 Elsevier Ltd. All rights reserved.

Bossman

Before you jump on their other point. Remember 1 in 500 risk of your kid dying from measles. 1 in 1,000,000 having a serious complication from the vaccination. You seem like an odd s guy.

Agree very much with the bolded part. The authors of this paper think the benefits of reducing disease outweigh the unknown risks to injecting aluminum into our babies. That, I disagree with. That is subjective and to each parent to decide.

[bossmansteve]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Lol. Widely panned. Your uneducated and conspiracy website sponsored response.

I just can’t take you serious.

At least now you agree most vaccines have no aluminum and you are fine with them.

If you come up with something good to debate will happy to jump back in. Otherwise your trolling is getting repetitive and tiresome

You sure love attacking people and calling names. Did you even read the criticism of the paper that I posted?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by AndrewM

Southern AB whooping cough cases have now been elevated to an outbreak:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calga...erta-1.5323845

Mostly natives and religious groups down in the south that are against government issued vaccinations. They have no problem with accepting government funded hospital beds however.

[Glion]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

If everyone was vaccinated we wouldn’t have the same outbreaks. Outbreaks are in the unvaccinated.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.cnn....ner/index.html

You are mistaken on death rate for measles in Canada. If we didn’t vaccinate it would be 1 out of 500. Measles is not a minor illness.

I think his point was that 1 in 500 is if you would contract it. Majority wouldn't contract it even if not vaccinated. He just couldnt find the actually numbers on rate of infection. I think that was his point anyways, that the 1 in 500 is only once you have contracted the disease.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Glion

I think his point was that 1 in 500 is if you would contract it. Majority wouldn't contract it even if not vaccinated. He just couldnt find the actually numbers on rate of infection. I think that was his point anyways, that the 1 in 500 is only once you have contracted the disease.

Yes that’s correct. Although I believe it’s closer to 1/1000. The two ratios are multiplied by each other, which would make the probability very low.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Glion

I think his point was that 1 in 500 is if you would contract it. Majority wouldn't contract it even if not vaccinated. He just couldnt find the actually numbers on rate of infection. I think that was his point anyways, that the 1 in 500 is only once you have contracted the disease.

Originally Posted by raab

Yes that’s correct. Although I believe it’s closer to 1/1000. The two ratios are multiplied by each other, which would make the probability very low.

Not as low as one in a million for a serious side effect to never contract measles.

And this states 9 out of 10 would contract it when exposed. Stating “Majority wouldn't contract it even if not vaccinated.“ is very false.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/contagious-infographic.html

Measles is Highly Contagious
Measles is highly contagious and spreads through the air when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

It is so contagious that if one person has it, 9 out of 10 people of all ages around him or her will also become infected if they are not protected.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

Not as low as one in a million for a serious side effect to never contract measles.

And this states 9 out of 10 would contract it when exposed. Stating “Majority wouldn't contract it even if not vaccinated.“ is very false.

https://www.cdc.gov/measles/contagious-infographic.html

Measles is Highly Contagious
Measles is highly contagious and spreads through the air when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

It is so contagious that if one person has it, 9 out of 10 people of all ages around him or her will also become infected if they are not protected.

No one is saying measles isnt highly contagious. Im saying its been eliminated from Canada so the risk of exposure is very low. Your risk of dying from measles in this country is therefore very low. Like less then 1 in 30000000 low because we did not have a measles death in Canada last year. If we refused entry to unvaccinated people travelling from known disease hotspots. We could lower the amount of outbreaks to virtually nothing regardless if the anti vaxxers were vaccinated or not.

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by raab

No one is saying measles isnt highly contagious. Im saying its been eliminated from Canada so the risk of exposure is very low. Your risk of dying from measles in this country is therefore very low. Like less then 1 in 30000000 low because we did not have a measles death in Canada last year. If we refused entry to unvaccinated people travelling from known disease hotspots. We could lower the amount of outbreaks to virtually nothing regardless if the anti vaxxers were vaccinated or not.

Well the Philippines were free of polio for years. Thanks to the fear of vaccinations they now are officially in panic mode. Hopefully the children that get this disease remember that their lives were horribly changed thanks solely to their mothers and fathers.

https://www.who.int/westernpacific/e...he-philippines

[Ken07AOVette]

Originally Posted by Scott h

Well the Philippines were free of polio for years. Thanks to the fear of vaccinations they now are officially in panic mode. Hopefully the children that get this disease remember that their lives were horribly changed thanks solely to their mothers and fathers.

https://www.who.int/westernpacific/e...he-philippines

That is just sad. My Dad, one of his brothers, and 1 niece had polio. He was paralyzed until treatment worked, this was in about 1940. His brother had it worse, an his after years the damage destroyed him, and he had countless health problems until his death.

Polio is a terrible disease. Anti Vaxers need to go live under the ocean.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

That is just sad. My Dad, one of his brothers, and 1 niece had polio. He was paralyzed until treatment worked, this was in about 1940. His brother had it worse, an his after years the damage destroyed him, and he had countless health problems until his death.

Polio is a terrible disease. Anti Vaxers need to go live under the ocean.

Agreed. Buddy had polio as a kid and in older age it is impacting him

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette

That is just sad. My Dad, one of his brothers, and 1 niece had polio. He was paralyzed until treatment worked, this was in about 1940. His brother had it worse, an his after years the damage destroyed him, and he had countless health problems until his death.

Polio is a terrible disease. Anti Vaxers need to go live under the ocean.

Anyone that has known people with the disease understand. When polio was rampant (not that long ago) you would have been locked up in Ponoka if you suggested that you wouldn't have your children vaccinated because you heard that someones, cousins, friends, mothers baby sitter, said you could become autistic.

[urban rednek]

The anti-vaxxers and a couple incompetent nurses have lead to a measles epidemic that has killed 62 so far in the small Pacific Island nation.
Link to Dec. 5 article in the Guardian:https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...t-vaccinations

Quote from Dec 2. BBC article with more background:

Vaccination rates - meaning the number of young children covered - recently dropped to a low of only 31% in Samoa, compared to 99% in nearby Nauru, Niue, and Cook Islands.

In part, that low rate has been attributed to the deaths of two children.

In July 2018, two infants died in Samoa after receiving vaccinations against measles, mumps and rubella, raising local fears over the vaccine itself.

But the deaths were later established to have been due to the nurses mixing the vaccine with an expired muscle relaxant, instead of water.

The two nurses pleaded guilty to manslaughter and were sentenced to five years in prison.

Link to article: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-50625680