Wainwright 2019

[Lefty-Canuck]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

As i know those elk was shot in walk in only area and yeah this group from sask and thats what i was discussing me and couple another fn members why would they open the hunt for sask either here or suffield we have enough reserves in alberta!!


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No they weren’t shot in a walk in only, it was 100% PDA3. Who told you walk in only? What basis was the seizure if it was in a legal hunting area? The basis for seizure is it was a closed area.

LC

[ADHAM]

Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck

No they weren’t shot in a walk in only, it was 100% PDA3



LC

Well there guilty then and should be punished for breaking the law!!


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[ADHAM]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

Well if u go up on this thread people was talking about them shooting the elk from the outside the base and then checkin in to claim the animal but if what u say was the case there 100% guilty and should be punished for breaking the rules!!


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[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

Some thing doesn’t make sense everyone telling different story so will wait until we get legit info then we judge!! And yeah its big problem 3 month ago couple fn members from alberta tried to register at suffield for first day first season the answer was the priority for members from Saskatchewan coz they drive farther didn’t make any sense to me!!


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I think that most everyone that has information about what happened is pretty much on the same page.

[BuckCuller]

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Originally Posted by ADHAM View Post
Well if u go up on this thread people was talking about them shooting the elk from the outside the base and then checkin in to claim the animal but if what u say was the case there 100% guilty and should be punished for breaking the rules!!

Completely different conversation those were most likely different People.

[ovis40]

Just wondering what priority people are at to get drawn for either sex elk? My wife and daughter put separate draws in for down by Cypress Hills and they both got drawn on a priority 3. On the weekend we decided to get the tags purchased and on my daughters tag I notice WMU 728/730.....WTF is that and where is that? I couldn't believe when I saw Wainwright. My wife has the proper WMU's we put in for. I called Relm and the lady said thats where she put in for. I told her I was drawn for the first ever bull elk on Suffield and after that Zhit show no way in hell would our family put in for a hunt on any military base. So I'm just wondering what was needed to get in. The only good thing it's only three years waisted and not 14 years like Suffield.

[stc77]

Good luck hunters. I'm here looking for cow moose. If anybody would like to exchange #'s and let eachother know of animals seen, pm me. The base staff have been excellent all week. They have to put up with a lot. But I appreciate the help that they have been.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by stc77

Good luck hunters. I'm here looking for cow moose. If anybody would like to exchange #'s and let eachother know of animals seen, pm me. The base staff have been excellent all week. They have to put up with a lot. But I appreciate the help that they have been.

Yes the base staff does put up with a lot, and they were excellent every time I have been on the base to hunt. But if the stupid behavior continues, at some point there will either be a serious incident, or the military will simply decide that it isn't worth the hassle of putting up with this nonsense, and the hunts will be shut down. As usual, a few idiots will ruin things for everyone. So please observe all of the base rules, and report anyone that doesn't, and hopefully, we will continue to enjoy the opportunity to hunt on the bases, for years to come.

[claystone]

Idiots come from every walk of life. That's why we have to have rules. If you breakem, you pay! Don't matter to me who you are, i've witnessed the results from FN and Non FN. It's all the same in the end...Idiots!

[7magtime]

Does anyone else find it ironic that the person who figures Alberta FN/Metis should be entitled to 50% of the future base tags is complaining that possibly Saskatchewan FN/Metis might have rec'd preference to them in previous military hunts?? That's how 1000's of Alberta licenced hunters feel about the entitlement of certain groups on this hunt, welcome to the frustration.......!!

[ADHAM]

Originally Posted by 7magtime

Does anyone else find it ironic that the person who figures Alberta FN/Metis should be entitled to 50% of the future base tags is complaining that possibly Saskatchewan FN/Metis might have rec'd preference to them in previous military hunts?? That's how 1000's of Alberta licenced hunters feel about the entitlement of certain groups on this hunt, welcome to the frustration.......!!

Im just giving general ideas u either can like it or dislike it and at the end no one will feel fair about this subject if i said regulated hunters should have 90% of tags and fn 10% i will get the same response i got from you from fn hunters!! And i just passed thought about priority for Saskatchewan coz they drive farther it just didn’t make sense to me i might be wrong with my thought too soo lets hope everyone start show more respect for the rules and the laws of the land!!!


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[CNP]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

Im just giving general ideas u either can like it or dislike it and at the end no one will feel fair about this subject if i said regulated hunters should have 90% of tags and fn 10% i will get the same response i got from you from fn hunters!! And i just passed thought about priority for Saskatchewan coz they drive farther it just didn’t make sense to me i might be wrong with my thought too soo lets hope everyone start show more respect for the rules and the laws of the land!!!


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The base can make the determination of how many tags and how many hunters. My personal opinion is that 100% draw is the fair and non-biased approach. There is no right to hunt on the base and there is certainly no right for non-draw hunters to be accommodated. Politics be damned...

[marky_mark]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

Im just giving general ideas u either can like it or dislike it and at the end no one will feel fair about this subject if i said regulated hunters should have 90% of tags and fn 10% i will get the same response i got from you from fn hunters!! And i just passed thought about priority for Saskatchewan coz they drive farther it just didn’t make sense to me i might be wrong with my thought too soo lets hope everyone start show more respect for the rules and the laws of the land!!!


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You really have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

[7magtime]

[QUOTE=ADHAM;4072957]Im just giving general ideas u either can like it or dislike it and at the end no one will feel fair about this subject if i said regulated hunters should have 90% of tags and fn 10% i will get the same response i got from you from fn hunters!! And i just passed thought about priority for Saskatchewan coz they drive farther it just didn’t make sense to me i might be wrong with my thought too soo lets hope everyone start show more respect for the rules and the laws of the land!!!

I'm pretty sure FN/Metis would never agree to tag limits to begin with as that would limit them from shooting multiple moose/elk like what is happening now(and in Crown land province wide since I started hunting 30 years ago). I agree with the previous posts that there will be a serious incident and/or more serious infractions coming and the base will need to enforce drastic changes that will affect the future of this hunt FOR EVERYONE . IMO more charges/communications should have happened last year after the FN firearm discharge at the check out, someone easily could have been killed in that incident.....
Does anyone have more info on any charges and/or permanent loss of base privileges of the people caught with the 5 elk in PDA3 off limits area?

[ADHAM]

Originally Posted by marky_mark

You really have absolutely no clue what your talking about.

And what made u say that!!! Educate me?!?


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[7magtime]

[QUOTE=ADHAM;4072983]And what made u say that!!! Educate me?!?


Everyone has been trying to educate you for the last 10 pages of this thread.....lol

[ADHAM]

[QUOTE=7magtime;4072993]

Originally Posted by ADHAM

And what made u say that!!! Educate me?!?





Everyone has been trying to educate you for the last 10 pages of this thread.....lol

Ok lol i will pass on this kind of education have a good day gentlemen’s


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[2 Tollers]

Suffield has changed since its first couple of years. Guys that have been down recently can chime in -- briefing doors close -- no briefing no access to the base that day, creation of the walk in / pack out only area and I think a restriction on the total number of drawn hunters plus harvesters / helpers per day

Perhaps the same things should be looked at for Wainwright -- more walk in only areas, eliminate the drive in to bring an animal out in the Annex -- shoot it and pack it out, restrict the number of helpers, restrict the total number of hunters -- xx drawn plus x pre-registered harvesters (no pre-registration - no access).

Add another primitive weapons season -- this would mean dropping a rifle season as the current 5 seasons is the max for the staff.

At some point the ability to handle the numbers must exceed the staff capacity and then there is safety as a paramount concern.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 2 Tollers

Suffield has changed since its first couple of years. Guys that have been down recently can chime in -- briefing doors close -- no briefing no access to the base that day, creation of the walk in / pack out only area and I think a restriction on the total number of drawn hunters plus harvesters / helpers per day

Perhaps the same things should be looked at for Wainwright -- more walk in only areas, eliminate the drive in to bring an animal out in the Annex -- shoot it and pack it out, restrict the number of helpers, restrict the total number of hunters -- xx drawn plus x pre-registered harvesters (no pre-registration - no access).

Add another primitive weapons season -- this would mean dropping a rifle season as the current 5 seasons is the max for the staff.

At some point the ability to handle the numbers must exceed the staff capacity and then there is safety as a paramount concern.

Restricting the total number of hunters, and only accepting preregistered hunters would be a great idea, as to dropping a rifle season to replace it with another primitive weapons season, that only makes sense if 40% of all applicants are applying for the primitive weapons hunt. Keep the wait times close to the same , regardless of your choice of harvesting tools.

[shedcrazy]

This is the most painful thread to read in a long time and so glad I took the year off of this site.

The facts:

Hunters (drawn, FN, and non-hunters) have been charged this year. Like EVERY year I have worked the check station since 2001. We have constantly tried to modify and improve the hunt. Changes like PDAs being considered "hunting in a closed area" greatly improved enforcement on these issues and reduced some issues. Constant FW Officers and MPs at the hunt the past few years have also reduced but not eliminated offences.

I am embarrassed to be a hunter almost everyday I work the check station as even with FW Officers, MPs and RC patrolling and daily safety briefs the phone is always ringing with issues and STUPID and UNSAFE activity.

Yes, as reported by the RCO there was an incident where 5 elk were seizes, 5 hunters (which happen to be FN THIS time) were charged and their hunt was ended on base. They self reported that they were in PDA3 (Permanent Danger Area that is ALWAYS closed to hunting and unescorted use) and on site seemed very confused and lost. That does not excuse the behaviour but it did show it was not a group just doing whatever they want with no care of rules. They still processed all the animals after they knew the animals were being seized to ensure the meat was not wasted. It will feed families in the Wainwright area.

Yes, other charges have happened almost every 3 day hunt this year and more non-FN have been charged than FN this year (and every year as that is the first FN that I know of that have been charged with a WILDLIFE charge). I can't get go into any details due to legal cases but others have had their base hunt shortened, have fines and animals seized.

Yes, Last year's discharge was a serious incident. We know how scary it was as we were actually THERE! That is a RCMP/MP issue now (it was not a hunting issue at the time). FYI-there was 5 loaded weapon charges last week in one afternoon from drawn hunters so that incident could happen all the time. ALL hunters need to get their head out of their asses.

ALL HUNTERS need to stop being so self-centred, less self entitled, stop using drugs/alcohol during the hunt, follow wildlife and firearm regulations, quit thinking that this is some form of cull hunt where there is no rules, start using their head, start actually thinking, start treating everyone with respect and just enjoy hunting.

There is an incredible amount of animals in the RTA. I flew it. The age classes are there after 5 good winters. There is over 4K deer out there and 500+ moose. IF YOU CAN'T find them that is 1) WX is a very tough hunt due to no control of scouting, open areas and other hunters 2) post rut bucks/bulls (mainly WTDE) are tough to hunt and most people have no idea how to do it 3) weather 4) lack of ability

I am logging off again. Sadly this thread and most threads have nothing to do with sharing the hunt but complaining and whining. It really makes it tough as a wildlife manager to take hunter input seriously after reading this.

Later

[gman1978]

Its not just Camp Wainwright its a gong show out there. Why is it getting so much worse???

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by shedcrazy

This is the most painful thread to read in a long time and so glad I took the year off of this site.

The facts:

Hunters (drawn, FN, and non-hunters) have been charged this year. Like EVERY year I have worked the check station since 2001. We have constantly tried to modify and improve the hunt. Changes like PDAs being considered "hunting in a closed area" greatly improved enforcement on these issues and reduced some issues. Constant FW Officers and MPs at the hunt the past few years have also reduced but not eliminated offences.

I am embarrassed to be a hunter almost everyday I work the check station as even with FW Officers, MPs and RC patrolling and daily safety briefs the phone is always ringing with issues and STUPID and UNSAFE activity.

Yes, as reported by the RCO there was an incident where 5 elk were seizes, 5 hunters (which happen to be FN THIS time) were charged and their hunt was ended on base. They self reported that they were in PDA3 (Permanent Danger Area that is ALWAYS closed to hunting and unescorted use) and on site seemed very confused and lost. That does not excuse the behaviour but it did show it was not a group just doing whatever they want with no care of rules. They still processed all the animals after they knew the animals were being seized to ensure the meat was not wasted. It will feed families in the Wainwright area.

Yes, other charges have happened almost every 3 day hunt this year and more non-FN have been charged than FN this year (and every year as that is the first FN that I know of that have been charged with a WILDLIFE charge). I can't get go into any details due to legal cases but others have had their base hunt shortened, have fines and animals seized.

Yes, Last year's discharge was a serious incident. We know how scary it was as we were actually THERE! That is a RCMP/MP issue now (it was not a hunting issue at the time). FYI-there was 5 loaded weapon charges last week in one afternoon from drawn hunters so that incident could happen all the time. ALL hunters need to get their head out of their asses.

ALL HUNTERS need to stop being so self-centred, less self entitled, stop using drugs/alcohol during the hunt, follow wildlife and firearm regulations, quit thinking that this is some form of cull hunt where there is no rules, start using their head, start actually thinking, start treating everyone with respect and just enjoy hunting.

There is an incredible amount of animals in the RTA. I flew it. The age classes are there after 5 good winters. There is over 4K deer out there and 500+ moose. IF YOU CAN'T find them that is 1) WX is a very tough hunt due to no control of scouting, open areas and other hunters 2) post rut bucks/bulls (mainly WTDE) are tough to hunt and most people have no idea how to do it 3) weather 4) lack of ability

I am logging off again. Sadly this thread and most threads have nothing to do with sharing the hunt but complaining and whining. It really makes it tough as a wildlife manager to take hunter input seriously after reading this.

Later

If you stop back in thanks for posting an honest report of your first hand experience. Sadly I am not surprised on some of the things you mentioned and agree the hunting community in general need to clean up there

Hopefully this trend does not continue at Wainwright

[astepanuk]

Originally Posted by shedcrazy

This is the most painful thread to read in a long time and so glad I took the year off of this site.

The facts:

Hunters (drawn, FN, and non-hunters) have been charged this year. Like EVERY year I have worked the check station since 2001. We have constantly tried to modify and improve the hunt. Changes like PDAs being considered "hunting in a closed area" greatly improved enforcement on these issues and reduced some issues. Constant FW Officers and MPs at the hunt the past few years have also reduced but not eliminated offences.

I am embarrassed to be a hunter almost everyday I work the check station as even with FW Officers, MPs and RC patrolling and daily safety briefs the phone is always ringing with issues and STUPID and UNSAFE activity.

Yes, as reported by the RCO there was an incident where 5 elk were seizes, 5 hunters (which happen to be FN THIS time) were charged and their hunt was ended on base. They self reported that they were in PDA3 (Permanent Danger Area that is ALWAYS closed to hunting and unescorted use) and on site seemed very confused and lost. That does not excuse the behaviour but it did show it was not a group just doing whatever they want with no care of rules. They still processed all the animals after they knew the animals were being seized to ensure the meat was not wasted. It will feed families in the Wainwright area.

Yes, other charges have happened almost every 3 day hunt this year and more non-FN have been charged than FN this year (and every year as that is the first FN that I know of that have been charged with a WILDLIFE charge). I can't get go into any details due to legal cases but others have had their base hunt shortened, have fines and animals seized.

Yes, Last year's discharge was a serious incident. We know how scary it was as we were actually THERE! That is a RCMP/MP issue now (it was not a hunting issue at the time). FYI-there was 5 loaded weapon charges last week in one afternoon from drawn hunters so that incident could happen all the time. ALL hunters need to get their head out of their asses.

ALL HUNTERS need to stop being so self-centred, less self entitled, stop using drugs/alcohol during the hunt, follow wildlife and firearm regulations, quit thinking that this is some form of cull hunt where there is no rules, start using their head, start actually thinking, start treating everyone with respect and just enjoy hunting.

There is an incredible amount of animals in the RTA. I flew it. The age classes are there after 5 good winters. There is over 4K deer out there and 500+ moose. IF YOU CAN'T find them that is 1) WX is a very tough hunt due to no control of scouting, open areas and other hunters 2) post rut bucks/bulls (mainly WTDE) are tough to hunt and most people have no idea how to do it 3) weather 4) lack of ability

I am logging off again. Sadly this thread and most threads have nothing to do with sharing the hunt but complaining and whining. It really makes it tough as a wildlife manager to take hunter input seriously after reading this.

Later

Thanks for the post I for one cannot wait to draw my Muzzle Loader tag again in a few years, Wainwright has some real opportunity for hunters that aren't afraid to get off the beaten trails. It's sad to hear about all the Violation I know Sufield has a pretty rigorous Vehicle Search before your allowed to enter the base.

Thanks again

[Lefty-Canuck]

Amazing what occurs on a controlled hunt with people watching...sure makes you wonder what happens when no ones watching.

[Dick284]

Originally Posted by shedcrazy

This is the most painful thread to read in a long time and so glad I took the year off of this site.

The facts:

Hunters (drawn, FN, and non-hunters) have been charged this year. Like EVERY year I have worked the check station since 2001. We have constantly tried to modify and improve the hunt. Changes like PDAs being considered "hunting in a closed area" greatly improved enforcement on these issues and reduced some issues. Constant FW Officers and MPs at the hunt the past few years have also reduced but not eliminated offences.

I am embarrassed to be a hunter almost everyday I work the check station as even with FW Officers, MPs and RC patrolling and daily safety briefs the phone is always ringing with issues and STUPID and UNSAFE activity.

Yes, as reported by the RCO there was an incident where 5 elk were seizes, 5 hunters (which happen to be FN THIS time) were charged and their hunt was ended on base. They self reported that they were in PDA3 (Permanent Danger Area that is ALWAYS closed to hunting and unescorted use) and on site seemed very confused and lost. That does not excuse the behaviour but it did show it was not a group just doing whatever they want with no care of rules. They still processed all the animals after they knew the animals were being seized to ensure the meat was not wasted. It will feed families in the Wainwright area.

Yes, other charges have happened almost every 3 day hunt this year and more non-FN have been charged than FN this year (and every year as that is the first FN that I know of that have been charged with a WILDLIFE charge). I can't get go into any details due to legal cases but others have had their base hunt shortened, have fines and animals seized.

Yes, Last year's discharge was a serious incident. We know how scary it was as we were actually THERE! That is a RCMP/MP issue now (it was not a hunting issue at the time). FYI-there was 5 loaded weapon charges last week in one afternoon from drawn hunters so that incident could happen all the time. ALL hunters need to get their head out of their asses.

ALL HUNTERS need to stop being so self-centred, less self entitled, stop using drugs/alcohol during the hunt, follow wildlife and firearm regulations, quit thinking that this is some form of cull hunt where there is no rules, start using their head, start actually thinking, start treating everyone with respect and just enjoy hunting.

There is an incredible amount of animals in the RTA. I flew it. The age classes are there after 5 good winters. There is over 4K deer out there and 500+ moose. IF YOU CAN'T find them that is 1) WX is a very tough hunt due to no control of scouting, open areas and other hunters 2) post rut bucks/bulls (mainly WTDE) are tough to hunt and most people have no idea how to do it 3) weather 4) lack of ability

I am logging off again. Sadly this thread and most threads have nothing to do with sharing the hunt but complaining and whining. It really makes it tough as a wildlife manager to take hunter input seriously after reading this.

Later

Thanks for all you do on site and behind the scenes.

You are echoing what I’ve been saying for years. Far too many “hunters” are without a doubt the most brazenly bass ackwards thinkers out there. Your choice of words is without a doubt pretty accurate.(self centered, self entitled)

Threads like this one do so much harm in the court of public opinion.

Hopefully some folks find a cure for rectal cranial inversion in their stockings for Christmas.

[Bigfeet]

Shed,
If you're willing, would love to see the final harvest numbers of the hunt. Still keen to know how the hunting is and what the success rates are.

[R3illy]

shedcrazy for the win. Nothing like having some facts to throw back into all the negative posts this thread became. 90% of the posts here had nothing to do with the hunt as I've said many times.

Interesting how sheds perspective varies wildly from the first post that talked about the hunters showing no remorse.

More importantly I hope to see those whining for equality post another 8 pages of complaints about all the licensed hunters who get charged or fined at a significantly higher rate then non licensed hunters.

[Ram94]

Originally Posted by R3illy

shedcrazy for the win. Nothing like having some facts to throw back into all the negative posts this thread became. 90% of the posts here had nothing to do with the hunt as I've said many times.



Interesting how sheds perspective varies wildly from the first post that talked about the hunters showing no remorse.



More importantly I hope to see those whining for equality post another 8 pages of complaints about all the licensed hunters who get charged or fined at a significantly higher rate then non licensed hunters.

The race of the people getting charged is irrelevant to me. If you break the law, you should be charged. However this doesn’t change the fact that there should be equal opportunity to be out hunting for a resource owned by all Albertans.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by R3illy

More importantly I hope to see those whining for equality post another 8 pages of complaints about all the licensed hunters who get charged or fined at a significantly higher rate then non licensed hunters.

Stop already!
First you said it was four pages of racist crap now you are saying it is 8 pages.
Quit your ranting and actually look at the thread instead of trying to incite an argument .
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by R3illy

shedcrazy for the win. Nothing like having some facts to throw back into all the negative posts this thread became. 90% of the posts here had nothing to do with the hunt as I've said many times.

Interesting how sheds perspective varies wildly from the first post that talked about the hunters showing no remorse.

More importantly I hope to see those whining for equality post another 8 pages of complaints about all the licensed hunters who get charged or fined at a significantly higher rate then non licensed hunters.

To put things in prospective, every time I have been on the base, the majority of hunters were licensed hunters, so I would expect more charges against licensed hunters, even if both licensed and unlicensed hunters were equally observant of the regulations. . As well, when you compare the charges, many of the wildlife regulations do not apply to non licensed hunters, since they don't require specific tags, they aren't limited by antlered/antlerless definitions, and they don't observe bag limits, so non licensed hunters can't be charged for many of the wildlife offenses that licensed hunters are charged for. So given those factors, it is reasonable to expect more licensed hunters to be charged with offenses.