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05-05-2019, 11:36 PM
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Don’t understand why people r scared of carp
Invasive species blah blah.
Are we also invasive species to this land? And it turned out a great thing?
Carp is delicious by the way, better than walleye in my point of view and the only problem is too much bones.
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05-06-2019, 12:05 AM
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05-06-2019, 04:32 AM
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05-06-2019, 05:50 AM
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Nobody is scared of having another new fish to catch. Everybody is scared that in ten / twenty years That’s all there will be are carp as they will have munched up all the eggs from our native fish.
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05-06-2019, 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by wildwildwest
Invasive species blah blah.
Are we also invasive species to this land? And it turned out a great thing?
Carp is delicious by the way, better than walleye in my point of view and the only problem is too much bones.
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Much like the carp, the human migration to Canada might have been a great thing for those of us who did the migrating, but also like the carp we have been very hard on many of the native species of flora and fauna.
I think you more or less summed up why carp are a problem in your own post. But yes, I am sure that the carp invasion is very good for the carp.
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05-06-2019, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by raw outdoors
Nobody is scared of having another new fish to catch. Everybody is scared that in ten / twenty years That’s all there will be are carp as they will have munched up all the eggs from our native fish.
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This.
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05-06-2019, 08:54 AM
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Only possible positive that could come from these carp is a food source for pike & walleye along with any other species that may prey on them. I don’t see these carp ever being a popular fishery
Only thing for sure is it will change the ecosystem and have a large impact. I would not jump on the doomsday theory that these carp are going to destroy all other species.
Look at the positive results goby have had on small mouth in the Great Lakes and cross your fingers similar results happen in Alberta. Maybe if luck is on the side of Alberta’s fishermen we could see some huge fat pike out of this mess
Still would have been best if the carp were not in Alberta’s waters
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05-06-2019, 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by wildwildwest
Invasive species blah blah.
Are we also invasive species to this land? And it turned out a great thing?
Carp is delicious by the way, better than walleye in my point of view and the only problem is too much bones.
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Cannot make you understand anything. You have to do that on your own...…..your blah blah blah attitude speaks of ignorance on the subject. Invasive carp is best spelled crap.
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05-06-2019, 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
Only possible positive that could come from these carp is a food source for pike & walleye along with any other species that may prey on them. I don’t see these carp ever being a popular fishery
Only thing for sure is it will change the ecosystem and have a large impact. I would not jump on the doomsday theory that these carp are going to destroy all other species.
Look at the positive results goby have had on small mouth in the Great Lakes and cross your fingers similar results happen in Alberta. Maybe if luck is on the side of Alberta’s fishermen we could see some huge fat pike out of this mess
Still would have been best if the carp were not in Alberta’s waters
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Only if they don't eat up the pike eggs before they can hatch, or otherwise interfere with spawning. The carp have expanded through the united states, I'm sure someone could tell us whether there have been any positive impact on the other gamefish populations. The carp have not eradicated other species in the past, however I feel that this far north the "natural balance" is far more delicate than in less severe climates. In other areas they seem to have been able to meddle far more with the ecosystem without inflicting the same impact as we are seeing in much of Canada. Looking at the results in the North Eastern states may give an idea what we can expect, but I feel that it is no real guaranty of what the results may be.
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05-06-2019, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by CNP
Cannot make you understand anything. You have to do that on your own...…..your blah blah blah attitude speaks of ignorance on the subject. Invasive carp is best spelled crap.
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How many times do humans have to re-learn the same thing. I guess thats why we have to have laws, cuz as they say, "common sense isn't that common"......
Saw a few hundred tearing up the lake bottom yesterday, I guess it's time to get the bow out and do my part.....
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05-06-2019, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Bushleague
Only if they don't eat up the pike eggs before they can hatch, or otherwise interfere with spawning. The carp have expanded through the united states, I'm sure someone could tell us whether there have been any positive impact on the other gamefish populations.
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The larger common carp has not crashed game fish numbers in southern BC or Ontario where they are common in a lot of lakes and sloughs
I don’t know how Persian carp will compare to the impact common carp have but if it’s similar the impact on eggs should not have much effect on game fish populations. It seems in most cases when invasive fish end up in systems the predictions are that the native game fish are going to be eradicated but rarely that is the case
Unfortunately Alberta is not going to be able to turn back time or eradicate these carp. Really all that can be done is study there impact and see what adjustments are needed to manage Alberta’s fisheries
Carp should have never ended up in Alberta waters but they are here to stay now
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05-06-2019, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
The larger common carp has not crashed game fish numbers in southern BC or Ontario where they are common in a lot of lakes and sloughs
I don’t know how Persian carp will compare to the impact common carp have but if it’s similar the impact on eggs should not have much effect on game fish populations. It seems in most cases when invasive fish end up in systems the predictions are that the native game fish are going to be eradicated but rarely that is the case
Unfortunately Alberta is not going to be able to turn back time or eradicate these carp. Really all that can be done is study there impact and see what adjustments are needed to manage Alberta’s fisheries
Carp should have never ended up in Alberta waters but they are here to stay now
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05-06-2019, 08:59 PM
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Yes my spelling sucks
Interesting read and they sound like nasty buggers
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05-06-2019, 10:06 PM
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Lots off carp in Manitoba and a whole lot more fish there .
A lot more lakes also I guess. I just hope the don't wreck the egg count like some are saying . They are really great fighters on a rod and nothing beats them smoked .
And yes bow fishing them is a blast also .
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05-06-2019, 10:36 PM
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Unfortunately these carp are nothing like common carp or grass carp.
This species can breed 3 to 4 times a year and eat everything from the bottom of the food chain up.
They take over bodies of water by breeding so often and eating eggs and bugs to the point that there is nothing left for any of the species in the lake an pretty much no reproduction.
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05-07-2019, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by npauls
Unfortunately these carp are nothing like common carp or grass carp.
This species can breed 3 to 4 times a year and eat everything from the bottom of the food chain up.
They take over bodies of water by breeding so often and eating eggs and bugs to the point that there is nothing left for any of the species in the lake an pretty much no reproduction.
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They don't even need to breed. They can use sperm from other fish to start egg development essentially producing clones of the female.
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05-07-2019, 10:48 AM
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the birds really like to eat them when you toss them on shore
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05-07-2019, 12:26 PM
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Cannot make you understand anything. You have to do that on your own...…..your blah blah blah attitude speaks of ignorance on the subject. Invasive carp is best spelled crap.
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Never a more obvious troll post than this. Post and sit back in your chair in some Russian troll farm and smile.
Crazy how so many Facebook, Twitter etc accounts came from troll farms.
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05-08-2019, 11:59 AM
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Troll or clueless - either or.
On another note would the carp be able to survive the cold temps? I thought they needed warmer water?
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05-08-2019, 03:04 PM
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X1000
Never a more obvious troll post than this. Post and sit back in your chair in some Russian troll farm and smile.
Crazy how so many Facebook, Twitter etc accounts came from troll farms.
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OP has 10 posts in about as many years.....pretty well sums up this topic.
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07-30-2019, 12:56 PM
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I was in the bow in bowness the other day and there was some sort of suckerfish at the bottom in a pool near where i was fishing, I'm from BC and not so familiar with the fish here, it had a suckerfish snout on it and was dark, got almost close enough to take it by hand, was around 16" long.
Anyone tell me if this was carp? It was not shiny or white at all, maybe a little lighter on the belly.
Also, is this something I can keep and eat? Not on the list of fish on the gov site.
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07-30-2019, 01:19 PM
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I was in the bow in bowness the other day and there was some sort of suckerfish at the bottom in a pool near where i was fishing, I'm from BC and not so familiar with the fish here, it had a suckerfish snout on it and was dark, got almost close enough to take it by hand, was around 16" long.
Anyone tell me if this was carp? It was not shiny or white at all, maybe a little lighter on the belly.
Also, is this something I can keep and eat? Not on the list of fish on the gov site.
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It's impossible to tell you what it is without a detailed photo. It sounds like it was a sucker. If so, you're welcome to keep as many as you'd like.
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07-30-2019, 01:21 PM
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Did it look like this? I caught this in the Bow its a Sucker.
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07-30-2019, 01:23 PM
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Did it look like this? I caught this in the Bow its a Sucker.
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Thats it. They don't list it on the government site. Is there a specific latin name for the thing?
Not much for eating I'm guessing, maybe smoked? Would be nice if they listed all the fish a bit better.
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07-30-2019, 01:32 PM
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No limits on suckers as they are not considered a gamefish. Lots of people do eat them, but as I understand it they are quite boney. Some people like to can them like tuna and through that process the bones are softened and can be consumed. Not tried this myself yet, but its on the list of things to do one day! I hear they can be quite good.
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07-30-2019, 01:47 PM
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No limits on suckers as they are not considered a gamefish. Lots of people do eat them, but as I understand it they are quite boney. Some people like to can them like tuna and through that process the bones are softened and can be consumed. Not tried this myself yet, but its on the list of things to do one day! I hear they can be quite good.
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Great, thanks for the info gents!
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07-30-2019, 01:49 PM
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Thats it. They don't list it on the government site. Is there a specific latin name for the thing?
Not much for eating I'm guessing, maybe smoked? Would be nice if they listed all the fish a bit better.
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Catostomus commersonii is the scientific name for the white sucker. There are a ton of different sub species that you'd mostly find farther south on the Bow. In my spot near Rolling Hills, you can catch around four different sub species of sucker, including the rare quillback.
I know people use them for soup and that some people can them.
Here's Italo on how to process and cook them: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZz54y-VOHM
They might be decent table fare near Calgary with the colder waters, but I know I wouldn't touch one in the warm southern waters. They do make great bait, though! Should also mention that they put up a great fight.
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07-30-2019, 02:43 PM
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Next time you have a hankering to try a sucker for lunch...the smoked sucker chowder sounds good.
http://www.southendwalleyeslayer.com/suckercookbook.pdf
Sorry for the derail. As far as the carp go Looks like we are going to have to import some snakeheads to control the carp. Or maybe some muskies.
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07-30-2019, 02:50 PM
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Next time you have a hankering to try a sucker for lunch...the smoked sucker chowder sounds good.
http://www.southendwalleyeslayer.com/suckercookbook.pdf
Sorry for the derail. As far as the carp go Looks like we are going to have to import some snakeheads to control the carp. Or maybe some muskies.
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I vote for musky
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07-30-2019, 03:37 PM
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I 2nd muskie!!!
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