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01-29-2019, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeham
My 232 buck came back positive today
Friend’s 234 wt buck came back positive last week.
Friend’s father’s 234 mule doe was positive two weeks ago.
Not looking good out there.
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01-30-2019, 11:23 AM
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Both my 2017 and 2018 mulie bucks from 234 came back positive. Beautiful typical 4x4s. No fat on them when skinned out, Just a gross pink layer in its place. It’s a hard reality that we will most likely not hunt that wmu this coming season. It’s where my family farm is and where I’ve spent most of my life hunting.
Still waiting for CFB Wainwright results to start coming in.
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01-30-2019, 11:29 AM
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Submitted Nov 17th and still haven't heard back.
Going to be making a phone call soon if I don't hear something soon!
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01-30-2019, 12:47 PM
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Submitted end of November, 232, and I'm also still waiting.
It was my first ever Mule Deer, and it was taken with a bow. The best part is my 1oyr old son and I did a stalk on him from 500+ yards down to 40 yards, and he walked 10 yards closer towards us as we were crouched down in a field. It was incredible experience. At this point I whispered to my son, "ok, this is it". I stood up and took the shot. He immediately said to me "Dad, its a good shot. its a good shot"! We tracked him and he got to witness his first archery animal up close and personal. We cant wait to do it again next year.
It was probably one of if not the single best day of hunting in my short 3 years. If my buck comes back positive, it will really put a damper on next years plans.
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01-30-2019, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Mikeham
Anyone want a whole lot of delicious smokies, wrapped roasts, and honey garlic pepperoni sticks? Made by Beekmans...
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So am I reading you took meat you weren't sure of to a butcher shop to make sausage and such ?
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01-30-2019, 01:33 PM
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So am I reading you took meat you weren't sure of to a butcher shop to make sausage and such ?
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This brings up a very interesting topic and discussion as well as a province wide problem!
Say a guy takes his meat to the butcher prior to getting results ! we all know a butcher blends many animals into batch of product, now this batch of product gets distributed to many others for consumption , is this a legal matter now ?
What would the outcome be and what should be done to prevent this from occurring ?
I for one have my meat in semi process mode and marked as such in a separate freezer <I will not eat or process fully until given the green light and if I did ever use a butcher ,it wouldn't be seeing this meat until a green light has been given .
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01-30-2019, 01:37 PM
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She’s here to stay boys. If you ain’t going to eat it. Don’t shoot it.
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01-30-2019, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper
She’s here to stay boys. If you ain’t going to eat it. Don’t shoot it.
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Really? You can have my tested positive mule deer, cut and wrapped...I ain’t eating it.
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01-30-2019, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Really? You can have my tested positive mule deer, cut and wrapped...I ain’t eating it.
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The don’t shoot it ol son
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01-30-2019, 01:45 PM
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The don’t shoot it ol son
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If I knew beforehand...which you can’t know, I wouldn’t have. I did the old mature buck a favor.
Offer still stands, when do you want to come pick up the CWD meat?
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01-30-2019, 01:49 PM
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Unless the hunter is lying, wouldn’t there be some onus on the butcher when he takes meat in to confirm that if it’s from a CWD WMU that it has been cleared. If a butcher readily knows that the meat he is processing is from a WMU with CWD stipulations, wouldn’t it be in his best interest to have proof?
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01-30-2019, 01:51 PM
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Brings up an interesting question. Guys shooting sup does on the east side of province knowing damn well there is a 50% plus CWD rate.
Guys going back to the same spot year after year after shooting another CWD positive buck with their bow. Either eat it. Or head up to the peace country for a few years before it works it’s way up there.
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01-30-2019, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
If I knew beforehand...which you can’t know, I wouldn’t have. I did the old mature buck a favor.
Offer still stands, when do you want to come pick up the CWD meat?
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You having reading issues again? If your not going to eat it quit heading out to Clint’s to shoot one. Never said I wanted it.
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01-30-2019, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 501s
Unless the hunter is lying, wouldn’t there be some onus on the butcher when he takes meat in to confirm that if it’s from a CWD WMU that it has been cleared. If a butcher readily knows that the meat he is processing is from a WMU with CWD stipulations, wouldn’t it be in his best interest to have proof?
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We process our own meat, nothing gets ground up through our equipment until a negative test is returned.
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01-30-2019, 02:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bluetick
This brings up a very interesting topic and discussion as well as a province wide problem!
Say a guy takes his meat to the butcher prior to getting results ! we all know a butcher blends many animals into batch of product, now this batch of product gets distributed to many others for consumption , is this a legal matter now ?
What would the outcome be and what should be done to prevent this from occurring ?
I for one have my meat in semi process mode and marked as such in a separate freezer <I will not eat or process fully until given the green light and if I did ever use a butcher ,it wouldn't be seeing this meat until a green light has been given .
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Yes, very interesting. I for one just got the green light for my Whitetail buck yesterday. As for legalities, I don't think the hunter or the butcher shop are under any legal obligation at this point to take any measures to ensure there is no CWD cross contamination. The Center for Disease Control and Alberta Environment and Parks, among others, only recommend not consuming it. Regardless, I would not use a butcher because I would not want to possibly contaminate my venison or someone else's.
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01-30-2019, 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by MooseRiverTrapper
You having reading issues again? If your not going to eat it quit heading out to Clint’s to shoot one. Never said I wanted it.
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I believe you need to think this through a little. Taking CWD positive animals out of the population is a very good thing. Absolutely NO downside to it at all. Eat it or not is a personal choice but the less infected deer the better.
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01-30-2019, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Dean2
I believe you need to think this through a little. Taking CWD positive animals out of the population is a very good thing. Absolutely NO downside to it at all. Eat it or not is a personal choice but the less infected deer the better.
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It’s an unstoppable tidal wave.
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01-30-2019, 02:23 PM
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01-30-2019, 02:24 PM
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You having reading issues again? If your not going to eat it quit heading out to Clint’s to shoot one. Never said I wanted it.
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Clint’s? I have a buddy named Clint but this deer wasn’t taken within 200 miles from his place. Lol...must mistake me for someone else. No issue reading, you can eat your CWD meat if you do choose, if given the option I am not eating it. If you found out your deer had TB you would eat that too I suppose? Or if your bear had trichinosis? I can’t knowingly eat it or feed it to my friends and family...that’s my choice to make.
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01-30-2019, 02:34 PM
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Cwd
For some good information on CWD Google:
The Challenge of CWD Insidious and Dire
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01-30-2019, 02:39 PM
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I believe you need to think this through a little. Taking CWD positive animals out of the population is a very good thing. Absolutely NO downside to it at all. Eat it or not is a personal choice but the less infected deer the better.
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Exactly...
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01-30-2019, 03:42 PM
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She’s here to stay boys. If you ain’t going to eat it. Don’t shoot it.
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You are certainly allowed to have your own opinions of what to do with the meat of anything you shoot. And not a single person is saying otherwise.
It’s you who seems to think you can tell everyone what to do... that’s the problem here. Maybe check yourself?
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01-30-2019, 03:43 PM
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Clint’s? I have a buddy named Clint but this deer wasn’t taken within 200 miles from his place. Lol...must mistake me for someone else. No issue reading, you can eat your CWD meat if you do choose, if given the option I am not eating it. If you found out your deer had TB you would eat that too I suppose? Or if your bear had trichinosis? I can’t knowingly eat it or feed it to my friends and family...that’s my choice to make.
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All bear meat is considered to have trich thus the well done cooking <
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01-30-2019, 04:03 PM
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Anyone want a whole lot of delicious smokies, wrapped roasts, and honey garlic pepperoni sticks? Made by Beekmans...
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in my opinion I think this is quite irresponsible could contaminate the butcher's Equipment Plus mixing with other people's meet I don't think any of this meat should be processed until the results come back like I said in my opinion.
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01-30-2019, 04:13 PM
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in my opinion I think this is quite irresponsible could contaminate the butcher's Equipment Plus mixing with other people's meet I don't think any of this meat should be processed until the results come back like I said in my opinion.
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interesting thought but i don't buy it It is a personal choice process it now or later .The butcher still gets paid .
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Who The heck dose that I wouldn't go there .
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01-30-2019, 04:15 PM
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in my opinion I think this is quite irresponsible could contaminate the butcher's Equipment Plus mixing with other people's meet I don't think any of this meat should be processed until the results come back like I said in my opinion.
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It’s a tough one, some guys do not know how to process or debone their game. Butchers don’t have freezer or cooler space to store meat waiting on results. There has been little to no direction offered or given by the regulating bodies on how to keep people safe from processing cross contamination. I can see more and more processors refusing to cut wild game. We devide cut wrap label and separate all animals we have tested, get a positive it gets tossed.
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01-30-2019, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
It’s a tough one, some guys do not know how to process or debone their game. Butchers don’t have freezer or cooler space to store meat waiting on results. There has been little to no direction offered or given by the regulating bodies on how to keep people safe from processing cross contamination. I can see more and more processors refusing to cut wild game. We devide cut wrap label and separate all animals we have tested, get a positive it gets tossed.
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yes that's the way it should be done but I still don't think it should be brought to the butchers before the tests are back
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01-30-2019, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by 35 whelen
in my opinion I think this is quite irresponsible could contaminate the butcher's Equipment Plus mixing with other people's meet I don't think any of this meat should be processed until the results come back like I said in my opinion.
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The butcher is in a mandatory zone. It’s full of pre-test animals.
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01-30-2019, 07:31 PM
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All bear meat is considered to have trich thus the well done cooking <
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Not quite true. Checked a bunch of publications for Black bears and 1 for Grizzlies in Alberta.
Prevalence in Grizzlies in Alberta north of Bow River was 28% infected of 61 Grizz examined and south of Bow River was 61% of 19.
Black bears are different story: North of Bow = 0 of 35. South of Bow = 2 of 4. Oregon 2 of 103 Black bears infected. Idaho 13% infected. California 13% infected. Interior Alaska 28% Blacks infected. Kootenay region of BC 12% infected. Pennsylvania 1.8% of 2056 examined. Arizona 2 of 51 infected. Most heavily infected carnivore in Alberta for trichinella is Cougar. Ticdoc
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