Just came home from Trump's Tampa rally

[avb3]

An interesting analysis of parts of the United States political system we up here in Canada are just not aware of, and that is how delegates are actually chosen by the states. They are only obligated to vote for the candidate who won that state on the first ballot, and after that it is completely open.

This is where the party establishment and those candidates that have an actual ground game have an advantage. Trump has a very small volunteer base working on the ground, having relied on his name and publicity on spreading his message. Others, will have long established contacts within the party stall words, which is a reason why campaigns are just suspended.

As a result, a Ted Cruz, a Jeb Bush, or as has been mentioned, Paul Ryan could well become the nominee even though they have less or no plants delegates on the first ballot.

Is going to be very intriguing this year on the Republican side, and Trumps bluster may well play against him.

It doesn't help for him to say there'll be riots in the street if that scenario plays out. He's just an ass for saying that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...7b7_story.html

[happy5]

He's just being factual. There's a very large radical left (Bernie supporters) who want communism. There's a very large radical right (Trump supporters) who want nationalism. And there's a status quo that's destroying the country. Where could it possibly lead other than to riots?

If Trump wins, the radical left will riot. If Trump loses, the radical might right riot. If the status quo continues, the radical portions of the country will continue to grow in size as things get worse until, eventually, something triggers the rioting and the fighting.

[Chuck_Wagon]

Originally Posted by avb3

Apparently you were trying to get some point across; you missed.

The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

[Wild&Free]

Originally Posted by happy5

He's just being factual. There's a very large radical left (Bernie supporters) who want communism. There's a very large radical right (Trump supporters) who want nationalism. And there's a status quo that's destroying the country. Where could it possibly lead other than to riots?

If Trump wins, the radical left will riot. If Trump loses, the radical might right riot. If the status quo continues, the radical portions of the country will continue to grow in size as things get worse until, eventually, something triggers the rioting and the fighting.

I find this to be not supported by facts. I have not heard or seen one call for a centrally planned economy coming from the left.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

Do you know how much the US spends on its military? Sanders supports reducing military spending to provide universal healthcare. When your already spending 15000 on medical insurance your taxes going up slightly to pay for it actually saves you money. Once you realize this isn't about left vs right, or Latino vs white or muslim vs Christian. This is about social morality and where you stand in regards to your morals. If you think it's fine that a baby dies from an easily curable cause because the parents can't afford the procedure then thats up to you. For me it's not even a question that it shouldn't happen in a first world country.

Im not sure where you and others got your views but Id bet from the NCC. The NCC here in Canada would like you to think that universal healthcare doesn't work, that it's to expensive, etc... all so they can bring in private medical insurance and make billions in profits. Don't listen to the private insurance pigs who have no conscience and just want your money. If you're in the average family tax bracket between 50-100k you'll spend the same on taxes as you would spend on medical insurance in the states.

Edit: Worth reading in regards to Bernie economic plan. Http://www.businessinsider.com/asher...sanders-2016-3

[avb3]

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

No, I was being polite, and have no idea what salient and cogent perspective your trying to get across.

Still don't.

[Chuck_Wagon]

Originally Posted by raab

This is about social morality

BS, and only someone that’s clueless will be clapping like a trained seal and cheering their heroes budget deficit of 30 billion dollars next week.
Oh wait, I forgot….. its Harpers fault.

[SubMOA]

Originally Posted by RavYak

You sure are singing a different tune now... One second we as a country are suffering from "economic slavery" and are on the verge of being a "bureaucratic despotism" which would mean we must live in a situation on par with the general population in China and the next you are agreeing with me that we got it pretty good... I am not presumptive, you obviously just don't believe what you originally posted and to which I replied...

Regardless I disagree that less taxes and government involvement are the way to go. I have no problem with taxes if they are put to good use. Healthcare wait times are not a sign of poorly used tax dollars, it is a sign of underfunded healthcare... The only way to correct that problem is to actually increase taxes to properly fund healthcare(or cut taxes elsewhere if possible to offset it).

There are many other good uses for taxes and if anything we in the province of AB are under taxed thanks to our previous great wealth obtained from oil. If oil doesn't rebound our taxes will have to increase to match other Canadians that already pay PST/HST and higher income taxes etc.

haha - thats a good one - good life compared to other places on the globe - and completely missed my point that we have to keep it that way. But its okay you showed your true colors - only an idiot thinks that more money thrown at something will solve it. And more taxes? To come up to par with the rest of Canada? if you like Ontario or the maritimes economy so well you should move there. Or maybe you are from there and came here to make money completely missing the point. Economy and wealth are created by individual initiative and hard work, not by big bureaucratic government.

Unfortunately I believe Mark Twain has the correct quote for this situation: "Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience."

Have a good life with your Utopian commie dream.

Over and out.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Chuck_Wagon

BS, and only someone that’s clueless will be clapping like a trained seal and cheering their heroes budget deficit of 30 billion dollars next week.
Oh wait, I forgot….. its Harpers fault.

What was Harper's average deficit over his 10 year term? 18 billion last I checked. And thats with running surpluses for 3 years due to the great economy the Liberals left him. If Harper could actually balance a budget maybe he'd have been re-elected. Instead of balancing a budget what's he do? Drop taxes for the rich, give corporate bailouts, under funds healthcare, cuts environmental protection and runs huge deficits. Always funny hearing a Conservative call out the Liberals for running small deficits when they ran up 1/3rd of our national debt over the last 7 years.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by raab

What was Harper's average deficit over his 10 year term? 18 billion last I checked. And thats with running surpluses for 3 years due to the great economy the Liberals left him. If Harper could actually balance a budget maybe he'd have been re-elected. Instead of balancing a budget what's he do? Drop taxes for the rich, give corporate bailouts, under funds healthcare, cuts environmental protection and runs huge deficits. Always funny hearing a Conservative call out the Liberals for running small deficits when they ran up 1/3rd of our national debt over the last 7 years.

The one good thing is, after next week and for the next 4 years you will have to finally man up and quit blaming Harper for everything that isn't right in your little world....and AO for turning you into a socialist

[Unregistered user]

Originally Posted by raab

What was Harper's average deficit over his 10 year term? 18 billion last I checked. And thats with running surpluses for 3 years due to the great economy the Liberals left him. If Harper could actually balance a budget maybe he'd have been re-elected. Instead of balancing a budget what's he do? Drop taxes for the rich, give corporate bailouts, under funds healthcare, cuts environmental protection and runs huge deficits. Always funny hearing a Conservative call out the Liberals for running small deficits when they ran up 1/3rd of our national debt over the last 7 years.

Don't forget cretien "Balanced" A budget by stealing $12 000 000 000 from the E.I. fund.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Unregistered user

Don't forget cretien "Balanced" A budget by stealing $12 000 000 000 from the E.I. fund.

...and by turning our Armed Forces into a mockery....

[raab]

Originally Posted by hal53

...and by turning our Armed Forces into a mockery....

At least he didn't blow up hospitals... If you like Ralph Klein you should like Paul Martin (Finance Minister for Chretien) as they basically did the same thing to balance the budget.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by raab

At least he didn't blow up hospitals... If you like Ralph Klein you should like Paul Martin (Finance Minister for Chretien) as they basically did the same thing to balance the budget.

blowing up a hospital that would cost as much to repair as building a new one is the same as robbing from the EI fund?...and I thought you repeatedly said you voted conservative "all your life" until you decided Harper was the devil?

[raab]

Originally Posted by hal53

blowing up a hospital that would cost as much to repair as building a new one is the same as robbing from the EI fund?...and I thought you repeatedly said you voted conservative "all your life" until you decided Harper was the devil?

Just saying it's hypocritical to say the Libs cut funding to the Military while Ralph Klein cut funding to everything. Alberta still hasn't recovered from the infrastructure deficit created during the Klein years. I was fine with both because they balanced the budgets. What's frustrating is that the politicians after those two have screwed the pooch and we're right back where we were before and going further into the hole. My hope for the Liberal team is that they can restore a balanced budget something Harper got 7 years to do and couldn't.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by raab

Just saying it's hypocritical to say the Libs cut funding to the Military while Ralph Klein cut funding to everything. Alberta still hasn't recovered from the infrastructure deficit created during the Klein years. I was fine with both because they balanced the budgets. What's frustrating is that the politicians after those two have screwed the pooch and we're right back where we were before and going further into the hole. My hope for the Liberal team is that they can restore a balanced budget something Harper got 7 years to do and couldn't.

Don't bet your farm on the last sentence......your pretty boy has already said that ain't gonna happen.... and he's fine with that?

[Throttle_monkey1]

Originally Posted by raab

What was Harper's average deficit over his 10 year term? 18 billion last I checked. And thats with running surpluses for 3 years due to the great economy the Liberals left him. If Harper could actually balance a budget maybe he'd have been re-elected. Instead of balancing a budget what's he do? Drop taxes for the rich, give corporate bailouts, under funds healthcare, cuts environmental protection and runs huge deficits. Always funny hearing a Conservative call out the Liberals for running small deficits when they ran up 1/3rd of our national debt over the last 7 years.

Don't forget that almost 60 billion that is unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Democratic socialism is the new catch phrase and it's all the same bull****. The NDP's various manifestos over the last 80 years have all babbled about democratic socialist principles where "the state controls the means of protection".

Engels & Marx would be proud.

[hal53]

Originally Posted by Throttle_monkey1

Don't forget that almost 60 billion that is unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Democratic socialism is the new catch phrase and it's all the same bull****. The NDP's various manifestos over the last 80 years have all babbled about democratic socialist principles where "the state controls the means of protection".

Engels & Marx would be proud.

that 54 billion is an "inconvenient truth"...they much prefer if you don't bring that up, kind of deflates their reasoning

[stringer]

Originally Posted by raab

What was Harper's average deficit over his 10 year term? 18 billion last I checked. And thats with running surpluses for 3 years due to the great economy the Liberals left him. If Harper could actually balance a budget maybe he'd have been re-elected. Instead of balancing a budget what's he do? Drop taxes for the rich, give corporate bailouts, under funds healthcare, cuts environmental protection and runs huge deficits. Always funny hearing a Conservative call out the Liberals for running small deficits when they ran up 1/3rd of our national debt over the last 7 years.

More proof that liberalism is a mental disorder

[happy5]

Originally Posted by Wild&Free

I find this to be not supported by facts. I have not heard or seen one call for a centrally planned economy coming from the left.

Seen at the Chicago, anti-Trump protest:


Bernie was a communist activist when he was young.

I bet a fair number of his supporters idealize communism, whether they know it or not.

[bessiedog]

Now THIS thread is more like it!!

Couple two, three knowledgeable people doing some pretty fine, informed discourse.......

Accompanied by 5-10 clowns that suddenly pile out of the Volkswagen and try to join in (it's always amazing how many always fit in there!).

Their contributions sound a lot like them honky clown horns....interspersed with a soda spray gun skwoosh fight here and there.

Good entertainment!

Happy 5! Welcome to AO!

Keep it up!

Stuff starting ta feel little normal round here!

[Chuck_Wagon]

Originally Posted by Throttle_monkey1

Don't forget that almost 60 billion that is unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Bingo...
Why is it that the same few members on this site always leave that out about Harper's deficit??
A deliberate, misleading lie.

Forced deficit by your hero's, but never mention it was your hero's that made evil nazi Harper do it in the first place, but bring it up all the time as though its Harper's fault.

I'm so sick of the same few members on this site that "think" they have taken control of this forum because they are home all day long to tap on a keyboard, that don't own firearms, have never hunted, and are here only to troll anti right wing politics.

[Sporty]

Originally Posted by Throttle_monkey1

Don't forget that almost 60 billion that is unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Funny how people tend to ignore that fact...

[Throttle_monkey1]

Originally Posted by Throttle_monkey1

Don't forget the almost 60 billion that was unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Democratic socialism is the new catch phrase and it's all the same bull****. The NDP's various manifestos over the last 80 years have all babbled about democratic socialist principles where "the state controls the means of production".

Engels & Marx would be proud.

It appears my phone typing got me again. This is what it should say. How do you edit your posts on this forum?

[histyle]

Originally Posted by Throttle_monkey1

Don't forget that almost 60 billion that is unfairly placed on Harper's shoulders in late 2008 when the liberals and & NdP basically forced him to borrow 54 billion for a bailout or else they would send the country to the polls when he had a minority government.

Democratic socialism is the new catch phrase and it's all the same bull****. The NDP's various manifestos over the last 80 years have all babbled about democratic socialist principles where "the state controls the means of protection".

Engels & Marx would be proud.

Nice.
And to those extolling the virtues of socialism, I would suggest reading Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", Frederic Bastiat's "The Law", or if you want something more contemporary try Mark Levin's "Plunder & Deceit". Socialism in it's many forms has been tried over & over again, and has always failed. And if you don't like history, maybe take a look at what's happened to Venezuala in the last 10 years for crying out loud!
As far as Trump is concerned, he's been the media darling up until now because he equals a ratings boost. Whether it's Trump, or Cruze as the nominee, the long knives of the media, and organizations like Move On, Occupy, Center for American Progress, Code Pink, CAIR, Black Lives Matter, et al will be out in full force. If you like soap operas, American politics over this summer will be very entertaining. As far as Canadian/Albertan politics go, there's 3 words by great member here that are perfectly suited: "Enjoy the Decline".

[Sneeze]

Originally Posted by bessiedog

Stuff starting ta feel little normal round here!

I thought so for a bit and was getting excited but they deleted a few more risqué threads and reality snapped back and I got bored again.


To all my commy friends of AO... something that will shock you completely about the Trump movement and your understanding of it.

The Left is the establishment. Crony capitalism is a symptom of a engorged government. Bash the "hicks" & "red necks" all you want, just realize that you are the establishment and those hicks and rednecks are now the ones fighting it.

A great meme to help demonstrate my point.

[Throttle_monkey1]

Originally Posted by histyle

Nice.
And to those extolling the virtues of socialism, I would suggest reading Hayek's "Road to Serfdom", Frederic Bastiat's "The Law", or if you want something more contemporary try Mark Levin's "Plunder & Deceit". Socialism in it's many forms has been tried over & over again, and has always failed. And if you don't like history, maybe take a look at what's happened to Venezuala in the last 10 years for crying out loud!
As far as Trump is concerned, he's been the media darling up until now because he equals a ratings boost. Whether it's Trump, or Cruze as the nominee, the long knives of the media, and organizations like Move On, Occupy, Center for American Progress, Code Pink, CAIR, Black Lives Matter, et al will be out in full force. If you like soap operas, American politics over this summer will be very entertaining. As far as Canadian/Albertan politics go, there's 3 words by great member here that are perfectly suited: "Enjoy the Decline".

Bastiat's "The Law" should be a must read yearly for students from junior high through post-secondary. It's short, succinct and to the point. It's probably one of the best books I've ever read on the subject.