"shockingly low" Rcmp enrolement

[elkhunter11]

These days many people simply don't want to be part of an organization with such a negative reputation. Who want to work for an organization that the public no longer trusts? And it's not the media that has led to the RCMP's reputation degrading to the point where a large percentage of the public don't trust them, it is the actions of the RCMP themselves that is responsible.

[Mistagin]

Originally Posted by st99

when I applied 6 yrs ago, I got 87% in the exam, a great score, but I was too white and too manly to go further.....

I had that problem nearly 40 years ago, when I sought to join a police force as a young feller just out of high school!
Did excellent on the exam, fitness, etc., but there was a need for more 'visible minorities' and females.
Needless to say, that career path got canned.

[Fredo]

It's a bit of a global problem all over the world.

Police is not here to serve and protect anymore, but to enforce laws established by borderline tyrannic governments. The social aspect of the job does not exist anymore, and had been removed purposely. Cops are not meant anymore to be a friendly, helpful public servant. That was a good job... last century.

Basically, if you enroll for being a cop nowadays you are nothing more than muscle. A bit like a civil military force, who fight/crowd control their own. Who wants to do this kind of job apart psychotics and bitter, power-monging a-h***s that use and abuse the power of the badge?

Not to mention that the job is now incredibly harder as bad guys have much better communication medias, have better equipment and resources. Oh, and they outgun you, of course, but hey, you got a Taser!
Plus, thanks to social medias, they can put a Dead or Alive warrant on your head, posting online your address, pics of your wife and kids... Happened last week in France.

Cool job eh?

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

um what.. making $80k after three years sucks? Holy hell.. Are you serious.. Not sure where you work, but that is better than P.engs after 3 years..

Remember it doesn't cap at that, it keeps going up.., not to mention isolation pay, on-call OT, benefits, severence, etc.. All in all, that $80k is probably north of $120k once you include all of that.

In which industry does a P.Eng with 3 years experience (6-8 years overall engineering experience) make $80k?

[Kim473]

Originally Posted by Wilbur1005

Sorry to learn that but they sure are well paid for what they do as are all police in our country. Take a look at the Toronto police force wages from this old document. Over 100K each for just showing up. Where do you think Duffy got the idea from!!

http://www.fin.gov.on.ca/en/publicat.../munic11b.html

I definatly went the wrong route in my carrer choice. That average is about $110,000 per year. The chief is well over $300 K.

[JB_AOL]

Originally Posted by whiteout

In which industry does a P.Eng with 3 years experience (6-8 years overall engineering experience) make $80k?

Maybe you are misreading what I said, but that is "better than" P.Eng after 3 years. But, in O/G a P.Eng after 5 years will be making over that.

[vcmm]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

These days many people simply don't want to be part of an organization with such a negative reputation. Who want to work for an organization that the public no longer trusts? And it's not the media that has led to the RCMP's reputation degrading to the point where a large percentage of the public don't trust them, it is the actions of the RCMP themselves that is responsible.

Exactly^^^
Last RCMP I tried to introduce myself to stuck his hand in his pocket and walked away.

[avb3]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Why do people complain about how much money other people make?

Logically, they complain about people who make more than they do. Why would they complain about the $10 per hour guy at WalMart.

Does making more $ mean u are a better or worse person? No. It just means you make more money. That's it.

I see this on here all the time.

If you aren't happy with what you make, work more. Now that's an original thought. If your current job doesn't pay enough for you, leave. Find something else. If you don't qualify for something else, perhaps you need to upgrade or make some changes.

Saying that "this guy gets $100K a year for doing nothing" is just crying.

I know a few guys that make $5-9 million per year in wages. They EARN it. They buy things, they go places. Do they get dirt under their fingernails? No. They hire guys to do work like that. If you are the type of guy he hires, be thankful rather than resentful. He feeds you.

When the funds come from taxpayer dollars, that taxpayer has a right to expect value for the dollar spent, and when there is a sense that the public sector is being paid more the than the private sector, which certainly has been the case, the taxpayer has every right to question the amount that public sector employee gets.

If on the other hand, someone in private industry and comparing their income to someone else in private industry, your comments about them moving elsewhere are bang on the money.

[fish_e_o]

Originally Posted by Kim473

I definatly went the wrong route in my carrer choice. That average is about $110,000 per year. The chief is well over $300 K.

if you like that

City of Toronto - Public Library PYPER JANE City Librarian $204,709.65

Librarian!?!?!? she probably has a doctorate in the dewey decimal system

[dgitz]

Originally Posted by Dog hunter

30$ an hour is way too much for a P.eng

How do you figure?

[ren008]

Originally Posted by fish_e_o

if you like that

City of Toronto - Public Library PYPER JANE City Librarian $204,709.65

Librarian!?!?!? she probably has a doctorate in the dewey decimal system

To be fair she was the Chief City Librarian. Likely has a bit different duties than shelving books all day.

[Jack Hardin]

Originally Posted by Titan 08

Hate to shock you, but this is a popular misconception, I retired out of the "K" Div recruiting Section. All applicants were given equal opportunity, visible minorities may have had minor incentives, but not to the degree you seem to think. The reason for the lower number of applicants is because many forces are now recruiting across Canada, something they didn't use to do. There are also a lower number of applicants generally, one reason being all of the negative publicity given to police officers by society in general. Another reason for the drop of RCMP applicants is that under the current Commissioner, Paulson, benefits, such as medical, leave, pension, severance pay have been slashed. I can't deny the transfers or promotions comments though, there is some truth to that, likely always will be, same as many organizations.

A couple of years ago this was a topic on Rutherford's talk show. The guest said that one of the reasons that RCMP members were leaving the force and going to municipal police forces, was because of the postings that started with the word, "Fort" or ended with the word, "Creek" They wanted family stability in a large centre.

[Redfrog]

Originally Posted by Jack Hardin

A couple of years ago this was a topic on Rutherford's talk show. The guest said that one of the reasons that RCMP members were leaving the force and going to municipal police forces, was because of the postings that started with the word, "Fort" or ended with the word, "Creek" They wanted family stability in a large centre.

I don't think RCMP should be doing local policing. Law enforcement should be invested in the community they serve, rather than having a job for a few years.

If an officer becomes a problem he can simply be transferred to be someone else's problem. If he was on a municipal force he could be canned.

[whiteout]

Originally Posted by dgitz

How do you figure?

Odds are he's a field guy who “knows more” than the engineer in the office since he touches tools. One of the more prevalent field attitudes about HO people is that they are overpaid and can't understand field work.

[rem338win]

Originally Posted by Fredo

It's a bit of a global problem all over the world.

Police is not here to serve and protect anymore, but to enforce laws established by borderline tyrannic governments. The social aspect of the job does not exist anymore, and had been removed purposely. Cops are not meant anymore to be a friendly, helpful public servant. That was a good job... last century.

Basically, if you enroll for being a cop nowadays you are nothing more than muscle. A bit like a civil military force, who fight/crowd control their own. Who wants to do this kind of job apart psychotics and bitter, power-monging a-h***s that use and abuse the power of the badge?

Not to mention that the job is now incredibly harder as bad guys have much better communication medias, have better equipment and resources. Oh, and they outgun you, of course, but hey, you got a Taser!
Plus, thanks to social medias, they can put a Dead or Alive warrant on your head, posting online your address, pics of your wife and kids... Happened last week in France.

Cool job eh?

The police today in Canada are far more huggy feely with significant amounts of budget and man power intended to participate and cooperate in social intervention programs.

What we need back is a justice system were the defense is a part of the process and doesn't dictate it.

Most cases lost today are the guilty getting free because he sat in a car for 15mins before getting told he has the right to call a lawyer and to shut up, and it wasn't noted well enough.

As far as the original 2 year old OP, why work for an antiquated machine that is falling behind at a one step forward, three steps back pace when you can work for a top-notch municipal with stability?
Either way the job is a calling. 5 hours sitting still in -30 holding a house with a deranged person claiming firearms and suicide, having entitled 3rd year University students telling you what's what right before they puke on your shoes, having to tell a a man you found his daughter dead at a house of ill repute, and then seizing kids to go into foster care because Dad has been abusing them and mom in drunken rages for God knows how long before someone finally grew a set and reported it, while they scream and hate you for it.
All while having the burden of the public believing you should be a pychiatrist, MMA champ, mind reader, SOG member, Dale Earnhardt, mediator, family counsellor, etc. etc. and you get paid to take abuse......
and capable of deploying all this expertise within a split second with some dirt bag lawyer ready to sue you, and the media hoping you trip up so they can make you into front page news hanging at your ears.

The wages look fair to me. I've worked in enough industries to see you get paid for liability and they are liable for a lot.

[raab]

Originally Posted by jryley

EPS and the RCMP are train wrecks. They need to first get rid of the polygraph part of the 'recruiting' stage. A lot of potentially great officers dont even bother applying based on this aspect alone....myself included! Not a chance I want or need to be beaten up on a lie detector about the grass I smoked 2 years ago.

I have a few friends that are cops, and I find it brutal that they were told they couldnt affiliate with ANY friends or family that took part in any sort of illegal activity (marijuana smoking).

They need to revamp their recruitment process. I did the 2 year police program at grant mac and had many professiors that were current beat cops openly say the recruitment process is a brutal joke. Many great great cops got on both forces by having no clue what to do out of highschool and signed their name away to EPS at a fold up table on the corner of jasper ave.

This, why apply and go through that stupid polygraph. I haven't even done anything, I just don't want the hassle of sitting in a poorly lit room with some guy questioning everything I've ever done in my life. They take that out and they'd probably quadruple the amount of applicants they get.

[raab]

Originally Posted by Dog hunter

Its not just the rcmp, it is all public sector jobs ie.nurses,county/city employees, water treatment operators and so on,its because working for the public these days sucks a**,people expect everything for nothing and have no appreciation for what public servants do, i've done it for ten years now and down to ten days left , yahoo,if I sound bitter its because i am,working for the public sucks

I got out of EMS in January, and no respect is right. Your there trying to help a person and they or their family have their cell phones out taping everything your doing hoping that they can sue you. Or you get a person who doesn't understand whats going on trying to tell you how you should do your job. Or you haul some drunk idiot out of a vehicle and he's fighting you as you try to strap him to a board. Don't get me wrong you meet a lot of good people, who are very thankful for you being there. But it's that small minority that ruin the career for people.

[raab]

Originally Posted by JB_AOL

um what.. making $80k after three years sucks? Holy hell.. Are you serious.. Not sure where you work, but that is better than P.engs after 3 years..

Remember it doesn't cap at that, it keeps going up.., not to mention isolation pay, on-call OT, benefits, severence, etc.. All in all, that $80k is probably north of $120k once you include all of that.

They need to be paid well in order to reduce the chance that they can be bribed. Also most of the Welders I know in Alberta made north of 100k last year and they only need grade 9 education. Just because you went to school doesn't mean you'll automatically be paid more.

[Bellero]

One thing that really hinders the hiring of quality applicants in any sector of the federal gov't (military, RCMP, CBSA, public servants, etc) is the amount of time it takes from the day one person applies until they are actually hired and paid. We are talking months of waiting time upwards to two years in some case.

I worked in a military recruiting center many years ago and by the time an applicant was done with all the steps in the recruiting process, they had moved on and found other jobs. Unless you are a kid with no responsibilities, when you need a job you need it now, not one year later.

[schmedlap]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Why do people complain about how much money other people make?

Logically, they complain about people who make more than they do. Why would they complain about the $10 per hour guy at WalMart.

Does making more $ mean u are a better or worse person? No. It just means you make more money. That's it.

I see this on here all the time.

If you aren't happy with what you make, work more. Now that's an original thought. If your current job doesn't pay enough for you, leave. Find something else. If you don't qualify for something else, perhaps you need to upgrade or make some changes.

Saying that "this guy gets $100K a year for doing nothing" is just crying.

I know a few guys that make $5-9 million per year in wages. They EARN it. They buy things, they go places. Do they get dirt under their fingernails? No. They hire guys to do work like that. If you are the type of guy he hires, be thankful rather than resentful. He feeds you.

Stop whining and grow a spine. Whatever you are doing, by and large, you knew what the remuneration was likely to be when you chose it - unless you didn't check that out first (?). If you don't like it, then you don't have to stick it out - that's the beauty of living in a relatively free society. Pick something you actually have a passion for (it may be policing?) and go for it.
I'm surprised by the comments on disqualification due to minor drug exposure. Maybe this has changed, but ... I know 2 peers whose passionate ambition was to be RCMP officers (mind you, 40 years back). One did not last long, but he admitted to past indulgence in pot-smoking when he was in the selection process. The other put in a 30 year career and loved almost every minute of it - with all the misery and BS he had to endure - and he has had a second career in "security". When he was interviewed (1974 - after 3 years obtaining a BA) he frankly said (paraphrasing) "I've been at University, in residence for 3 years, and, of course, I did smoke some pot on occasion, but I'm not going to do it, of course, again, if I am selected". It was not an issue - in fact the recruiter told him that he respected his honesty on the topic. And that was back when possession of Marijuana was a serious offence (?).
Then again ... that was back when the RCMP did not have "quotas" for minorities, etc. They just took the best recruits, regardless of race, color, religion, gender, etc.. My friend's biggest issue was that he just barely met the height and weight requirements - he was not a big guy, but he was a rather "tough and fit" one, with a varsity sport experience on his resume. I don't know if the trend to favoring "minorities", and selectively reducing minimum standards to meet such "quotas" is a factor in the apparent decline of respect and morale, but I suspect it is (?).

[Albertacoyotecaller]

They had their chance to recruit good people but they have messed up over the years. Most of us that didn't make it past the starting gate were made fun of over the years. Most of us moved in to good jobs doing something else. Their lack of good policies are showing now. A good employer will always have lots of applications.

They will figure it out one day. Until then, we will have lots of threads on here and other forums to discuss our policing issues.

[heretohunt]

Originally Posted by huntinstuff

Why do people complain about how much money other people make?

Logically, they complain about people who make more than they do. Why would they complain about the $10 per hour guy at WalMart.

Does making more $ mean u are a better or worse person? No. It just means you make more money. That's it.

I see this on here all the time.

If you aren't happy with what you make, work more. Now that's an original thought. If your current job doesn't pay enough for you, leave. Find something else. If you don't qualify for something else, perhaps you need to upgrade or make some changes.

Saying that "this guy gets $100K a year for doing nothing" is just crying.

I know a few guys that make $5-9 million per year in wages. They EARN it. They buy things, they go places. Do they get dirt under their fingernails? No. They hire guys to do work like that. If you are the type of guy he hires, be thankful rather than resentful. He feeds you.

Yes! ^^^^^

[Fredo]

Originally Posted by rem338win

some dirt bag lawyer ready to sue you, and the media hoping you trip up so they can make you into front page news hanging at your ears.

Yup, I forgot that part...

[Jack Hardin]

Originally Posted by Redfrog

I don't think RCMP should be doing local policing. Law enforcement should be invested in the community they serve, rather than having a job for a few years.

If an officer becomes a problem he can simply be transferred to be someone else's problem. If he was on a municipal force he could be canned.

Absolutely true. If you check the stats for which cities have the highest crime rates in Canada, most of them are being policed by RCMP. Red Deer, Prince George, Surrey, etc. At least cities with their own police force have police officers that are there by choice. Also you have long range planning by police officers who know that they will still be there 5, 10 or 15 years later, not just in for a 2 or 3 year period then transferred out. They have long term loyalty to the community.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Sundancefisher

logic dictates the job sucks... One of those jobs where you need to have a calling and a strong desire to help others.

That would be the most likely reason no one wants to apply. I would never do the job. High stress... People tend to have the mentality of hating police cause they do their job like pulling over speeders or making drug busts.

RCMP can get posted to the crappiest locations like out of control first nation areas.

You can be killed on the job. http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/...e-of-duty.html

Your work hours suck and shift work kills the body.

**************************************
Salary
When you successfully complete the Cadet Training Program and have been offered employment, you will be engaged (hired) as a Regular Member Constable at an annual salary of $49,680. Normally, within 36 months of service, your annual salary will have increased incrementally to $80,498.

The following is the salary scale for the Constable rank:

•Entry: $49,680
•6 months service: $64,549
•12 months service: $70,035
•24 months service: $75,522
•36 months service: $80,498


http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/recruiting...ntages-eng.htm

They do it for the love of the job, something inside tells you are made for this. I had a gentleman the other day talk about our Canadaian soldiers, he mentioned why in god would someone put themselves in harms way for such low pay etc...I stood back was about to answer and then realized it was not worth it, he would not never understand anyways....
Enrolment numbers are down just like they were once in the Forces, then they go on hiring frenzies etc as this is the nature of our government.

[58thecat]

On another not it is our society in general, a bunch of babies who want something for nothing, squeaky wheel now a days gets all the attention, organizations hands are tide when it comes to hiring, you folks know what I mean NOT the best man/woman gets the position. Everyone hiring is tip toeing around the BS so that there will be no kick back for hiring someone right for the job while the squeaky wheel complains and stirs the pot.
Our society has lowered basic entry level standards to accommodate the sick,lame and lazy. If they didn't we would not have a work force....
I say tell fatty to get up the rope, you can't make it, you fail, next. Meet a high level of entry level standardization than you have a sound, strong foundation to build on,anything else less is the start to failure at all levels...welcome to our society in general but don't get me wrong there are still a few organizations out there that know how to play the game and keep the cream of the crop but it is a very tactful situation to endear.

[kingrat]

Originally Posted by BANG

Not to mention most patch jobs are significantly more dangerous then a career in law enforcement.

really I havent heard of any patch jobbers losing their lives at work lately but Ive heard of lots of police this year must just be a media thing cause you say its significantly more dangerous, maybe with all the riggers out of work they should apply its less dangerous, pay is good, a quater of the work seems like a no brainer to me.

[drake]

the RCMP are looking for "good people"...they are pretty good at seperating the cream from the crap. If you are sour because you couldnt "make it"....look in the mirror. The process is expedient if you know how to fill out an application properly and understand how to use a computer. The same guys who hate on cops are the guys who get pulled over all the time for "minding their own business....." , only had a "couple beers", or the tenth broken tail light etc.

[densa44]

You can't fire the police force. Reading these posts the RCMP sounds like the Toronto Maple Leafs. I hope that is not true.

Are there some good ideas we can suggest that will make this better. More money on salaries doesn't necessarily give you better people, I give the House of Commons and the Senate as examples.

Is this a "safe" occupation? Maybe not, what can be done to make it safer?

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by densa44

Is this a "safe" occupation? Maybe not, what can be done to make it safer?

Easiest question ever to answer.
Quit letting criminals out to keep repeating their crimes. Harsher longer penaltys are in need.
It has to start with a judicial system makeover...