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11-06-2014, 08:52 PM
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Guide/Host Potentially Poaching North of Rocky
While out with my dad, hunting November 1, 2014 in WMU 330, we drove down a oil road that we have driven down for over 15 years only to see that someone had erected a monstrous tree stand down the pipeline. After ensuring that no one was in the stand, we walked down to check it out, as we have put countless hours in blinds and tree stands ourselves on this very pipeline. It was quite evident that the owner of the tree stand planted food, or maintained a 300-400 yard section of the pipeline with the intention of having deer eat the perfectly green grass (rare in Alberta in my 29 years of life in November). When returning to my truck, the owner of the tree stand was waiting at my truck accusing myself and my father of wrecking the ladder(s) to his stands. He refused to give me his name, refused to tell me if he was a guide/host etc. He took a picture of my license plate without my permission and basically told my dad and I not to come around that area anymore (keep in mind this is crown land). I took a picture of him and his license plate post confrontation.
My question to AO members is: Is maintaing non-farm land area with the purpose of feeding/hunting deer illegal? Will Fish and Game officers investigate this incident if/when I report it?
Thanks in advance for your advice
In order to understand the situation, the tree stand was about 25' tall, metal in nature, cables holding the tree stand upright, about 20 3" pine trees cut for camoflauge for the "torso" of the stand. The individual said he had another 6 stands like this in the area.
Last edited by Reams26; 11-06-2014 at 09:02 PM.
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11-06-2014, 09:10 PM
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Call F&W....mentioning this here is sure to turn into a gong show.
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11-06-2014, 09:11 PM
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11-06-2014, 09:29 PM
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Why would this guy need your permission to take a photo? Would it be in breach of your licence plates modelling contract?
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11-06-2014, 09:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CaberTosser
Why would this guy need your permission to take a photo? Would it be in breach of your licence plates modelling contract?
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Apparently you don't quite grasp the concept CaberTosser.
Plate - Singular, Plates - Plural (Just for future reference)
...."the resulting evolution of the idiot"
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11-06-2014, 09:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Reams26
While out with my dad, hunting November 1, 2014 in WMU 330, we drove down a oil road that we have driven down for over 15 years only to see that someone had erected a monstrous tree stand down the pipeline. After ensuring that no one was in the stand, we walked down to check it out, as we have put countless hours in blinds and tree stands ourselves on this very pipeline. It was quite evident that the owner of the tree stand planted food, or maintained a 300-400 yard section of the pipeline with the intention of having deer eat the perfectly green grass (rare in Alberta in my 29 years of life in November). When returning to my truck, the owner of the tree stand was waiting at my truck accusing myself and my father of wrecking the ladder(s) to his stands. He refused to give me his name, refused to tell me if he was a guide/host etc. He took a picture of my license plate without my permission and basically told my dad and I not to come around that area anymore (keep in mind this is crown land). I took a picture of him and his license plate post confrontation.
My question to AO members is: Is maintaing non-farm land area with the purpose of feeding/hunting deer illegal? Will Fish and Game officers investigate this incident if/when I report it?
Thanks in advance for your advice
In order to understand the situation, the tree stand was about 25' tall, metal in nature, cables holding the tree stand upright, about 20 3" pine trees cut for camoflauge for the "torso" of the stand. The individual said he had another 6 stands like this in the area.
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You blew it .you had an opportunity to increase your chance of success.
You both have pictures share them with us or the authorities?
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11-06-2014, 09:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lefty-Canuck
Call F&W....mentioning this here is sure to turn into a gong show.
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Thanks Lefty-Canuck. I am going to phone F&W. The regs are not clear on maintaining non-agricultural land for the purpose of hunting. That is what I am trying to figure out. The individual can try to intimidate me all he wants, but come Saturday morning I'd wager that I am there earlier than him. haha
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11-06-2014, 09:44 PM
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just got entertaining...
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11-06-2014, 09:46 PM
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Seems like the most logical course of action is to call F&W and ask them this question.
You will get a far faster and accurate response.
I can't see why they can't have tree stands anywhere. Hopefully you did not damage one.
As for a planted crop...they can answer that also.
You should visit bass pro and see what they sell.
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11-06-2014, 09:51 PM
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I don't want to ruin this guys business/hunting if he is not doing anything illegal. Once I have contacted F&W and figure out if what he is doing is illegal or not, then I may post his plate # along with a picture of him (if illegal) so that we know who to stay away from.
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11-06-2014, 09:55 PM
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Sundancefisher, Thanks for your input. I most certainly did not wreck the individuals stand, it was probably the best stand I have ever seen, truly remarkable. I could never wreck a thing of beauty like that!
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11-06-2014, 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Reams26
I don't want to ruin this guys business/hunting if he is not doing anything illegal. Once I have contacted F&W and figure out if what he is doing is illegal or not, then I may post his plate # along with a picture of him (if illegal) so that we know who to stay away from.
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If he isn't doing anything illegal, how would a visit from f&w ruin his hunt or business
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11-06-2014, 09:59 PM
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Its amusing when you made a pretty significant interpretation error in trying to 'correct' my statement. I'll give you some time to figure it out, you might need it.
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11-06-2014, 10:10 PM
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Are you positive it is not a section that has been dug up, repaired, reclaimed and reseeded? Maybe with some fall rye to stabilize the soil? This guy could just be taking advantage of a situation.
His attitude toward you was a little uncalled for.
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11-06-2014, 10:12 PM
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Was he driving a black dodge dually by any chance? I just can't believe nobody has asked that yet.....
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11-06-2014, 10:15 PM
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Darn it !!!!!
You beat me to it. Lol.
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11-06-2014, 10:17 PM
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I guess it very well could have been reclaimed... Having seen reclaimed sites before, I am pretty confident in saying that this particular site was not. Thanks for the insight 338 bluff, good point!
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11-06-2014, 10:17 PM
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His first 5 posts to boot. I sense a ban coming. Lol
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11-06-2014, 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck
Was he driving a black dodge dually by any chance? I just can't believe nobody has asked that yet.....
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Definitely a scenario where one should take a knee and think it threw
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11-06-2014, 10:18 PM
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Not the visit by the F&W... rather posting the pic of him and his plate #.
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11-06-2014, 10:27 PM
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Did you mention the feed plot or F&W to the guy? I wonder if he might try to destroy the evidence.
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11-06-2014, 10:38 PM
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11-06-2014, 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by leeaspell
Definitely a scenario where one should take a knee and think it threw
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I had considered that, posted and then edited out referring to him as a potential CG. It occurred to me that it might be unlikely as this suddenly chatty 2-year member knew the difference between singular and plural, despite the fact that my inclusion of an 's' to the end of 'plate' was missing a hyphen and was included to indicate the possessive. Perhaps that mental boo-boo would be a Chris G trait after all?..... All in all he doesn't have a sense of haha and gets mighty irritable for someone who should have caught on to when someone is joking, especially after he's been silently lurking AO for two years.
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11-06-2014, 10:39 PM
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Definitely a scenario where one should take a knee and think it threw
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Lmao, I guess if you're that far outta town you gotta do what you gotta do, that's what I say when I take a knee or throw back a 4 pound perch
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11-07-2014, 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by brownbomber
Lmao, I guess if you're that far outta town you gotta do what you gotta do, that's what I say when I take a knee or throw back a 4 pound perch
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It really was this kind of day on AO today.
Really.
Saw some references to good threads from the past, as well as interesting and mildly amusing user names that gave me a bit of a chuckle.
And finally this.
My 12 year old tells me that most of the kids in his class are on their phones during class time.
If teachers were more strict in taking phones away, we wouldn't have to deal with all this on AO.
(Well, maybe some)
I'm going hunting soon. Can't hardly wait
Op. If it was clearly evident that the owner of the stand planted and maintained this section of new growth, then wth is the issue?
Get on with gettin on and be gone.
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11-07-2014, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CaberTosser
Its amusing when you made a pretty significant interpretation error in trying to 'correct' my statement. I'll give you some time to figure it out, you might need it.
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LOL He erred in criticising your singular/plural usage when he should have criticized you for your punctuation. I think you meant "plate's", not "plates".
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11-07-2014, 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Okotokian
LOL He erred in criticising your singular/plural usage when he should have criticized you for your punctuation. I think you meant "plate's", not "plates".
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Haha that's awesome, I hope my grammer is right!!!
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11-07-2014, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by crownb
Haha that's awesome, I hope my grammer is right!!!
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Ah, I'm not the grammar police. I usually hate that. I'm just giving Caber a friendly poke.
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11-07-2014, 10:13 AM
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I hope his grammar is alright , his grammpar too !
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11-07-2014, 10:44 AM
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Back on topic.
Was it just grass and grain crop? If there was any kind of baiting I think that is Ilegal. You should have informed him that it was crown land and everyone has a right to it and sugested that maybe F&W needed to here about the situation and you may give them a call. I'm just saying that bullies need to be stood up to.
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