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11-03-2012, 08:37 PM
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$1,000/Fish
Rocky Mountain House newspaper the Mountaineer of October 30, 2012 reported that Ron
Allan of Edmonton was fined $6,000 for illegally catching six bull trout and keeping them while fishing with bait, 3 rods and barbed hooks on the North Saskatchewan River. The poaching incident happened August 5 and the bust was the result of a call to Report a Poacher. The Crown dropped eight more charges. He also lost his gear and got a license suspension for a year.
Thought that some of you might be interested.
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11-03-2012, 09:00 PM
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good to hear, too bad the rest got dropped
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11-03-2012, 09:07 PM
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good to hear, too bad the rest got dropped
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x2. Thanks for posting this Don!
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11-03-2012, 09:12 PM
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Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?
Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.
When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.
If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.
I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.
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11-03-2012, 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Don Andersen
Rocky Mountain House newspaper the Mountaineer of October 30, 2012 reported that Ron
Allan of Edmonton was fined $6,000 for illegally catching six bull trout and keeping them while fishing with bait, 3 rods and barbed hooks on the North Saskatchewan River. The poaching incident happened August 5 and the bust was the result of a call to Report a Poacher. The Crown dropped eight more charges. He also lost his gear and got a license suspension for a year.
Thought that some of you might be interested.
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Discusting, why let him off on 8 charges? Nail him to the fence post with a sign saying Poachers beware.
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11-03-2012, 09:21 PM
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NO!!!
Brilliant.... Now i have to drive 20 min out of my way and pay more to go fishing...... Stop with the good ideas!!! I cant afford it! Fine, confiscate gear, shoot the poachers, no problem, why is the first reaction of our society to punish the law abiding citizens?????????
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11-03-2012, 09:25 PM
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I think this sentence is fair and sends a message to other would be Poachers.
6 Grand is a good chunk of change. I doubt he will be keeping any Bulls when he gets his fishing priviledges back. Any other Bull Keepers reading this story will be thinking twice about doing it again.
The other charges were likely dropped in order to get the conviction that they did get.
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11-03-2012, 09:27 PM
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I think that should also include:
If you don't catch any fish that day, you drive the extra 20 mins again, swipe your card and get a rebate.
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11-03-2012, 09:33 PM
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I agree!
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Originally Posted by New Hunter Okotoks
I think this sentence is fair and sends a message to other would be Poachers.
6 Grand is a good chunk of change. I doubt he will be keeping any Bulls when he gets his fishing priviledges back. Any other Bull Keepers reading this story will be thinking twice about doing it again.
The other charges were likely dropped in order to get the conviction that they did get.
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I think that if 6k wont make him change his ways really there is just one other option...... Hopefully he and others who have done this will see or hear about this and think twice next time.
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11-03-2012, 09:34 PM
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I think that should also include:
If you don't catch any fish that day, you drive the extra 20 mins again, swipe your card and get a rebate.
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That is good and as ludicrous as my idea.
I will explain later on my reasons for making pay as you go fishing, actually it has more to do with family fishing.
It would be awesome to see poachers making the front page or the nightly news.
Shame is a greater deterrant than money imo,, but $1000 per bull trout is great too!
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11-03-2012, 09:49 PM
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What a POS...
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11-03-2012, 10:16 PM
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Serves them right!
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11-03-2012, 11:34 PM
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Maybe advise his employer of his crime / crimes as well . I would love to see the addition to the hard copy of the regulations of some of the people charged and post them in the regulations . That would be good to see even if the courts gave them the option of a lesser charge and story printed in the regulations or you going to have the book thrown at you minimum 10,000 fine and 3-5 year ban first time ,and raise it from the strike 3 life time ban and jail time .
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11-03-2012, 11:49 PM
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That is good and as ludicrous as my idea.
I will explain later on my reasons for making pay as you go fishing, actually it has more to do with family fishing.
It would be awesome to see poachers making the front page or the nightly news.
Shame is a greater deterrant than money imo,, but $1000 per bull trout is great too!
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sooooooooooo ...... you really think a poacher is going to swipe his card and, when rejected, turn around and go home? do you think most fisherman are going to like to go find a place to swipe their WIN card? Sounds like a fantastic idea to me.
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sooooooooooo ...... you really think a poacher is going to swipe his card and, when rejected, turn around and go home? do you think most fisherman are going to like to go find a place to swipe their WIN card? Sounds like a fantastic idea to me.
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Lotsa 7/11's around or Timmy's,,, my point is more about making poaching as unappealing as possible,, bbj's idea of listing poachers in the regs is great, though I am not sure if poachers have licenses to begin with.
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11-04-2012, 12:52 AM
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I like the idea of publishing the names and fine $$.
Public shaming would be a great punishment.
Can't say I agree with jail time for poaching fish.
1. punishment has to fit the crime (ie the debts must be equal)
2. it is insanely expensive to lock people up.
It would be great to see chain-gangs of hardcore poachers doing habitat remediation.
The crime is against the ecosystems and the commons, not so much against the government.
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11-04-2012, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by BBJTKLE&FISHINGADVENTURES
Maybe advise his employer of his crime / crimes as well . I would love to see the addition to the hard copy of the regulations of some of the people charged and post them in the regulations . That would be good to see even if the courts gave them the option of a lesser charge and story printed in the regulations or you going to have the book thrown at you minimum 10,000 fine and 3-5 year ban first time ,and raise it from the strike 3 life time ban and jail time .
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Great idea BBJ.
Poachers arn't gonna read them tho. And regs would be 4" thick with all the names from the folks that get caught at calling lake in one season. Never mind the rest of the province.
Think they should hit the headline news, Sports, news, on all TV & radio stations. Just think how Brian Hall would run with it.
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11-04-2012, 04:50 AM
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GUST im sure glad your not in charge of licencing more machines more staff more money dont think your 50 cents is going to counter ballance that poachers r poachers nail them how about we get a lot mor FW out there and let them do there job and how about us sports man man up and start turning every one in that breaks the rules instead of turning a blind eye
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11-04-2012, 05:41 AM
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We could have a public "Poacher Shaming Day"
Big picnic-
Get paintball guns and teach new hunters gun control on"Shoot a Poacher Day"
Dress up the poachers as whatever wildllife they poached and let the public shoot at them with paintballs!!lol
Ok to take head shots on anyone who disrespects the resource.
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11-04-2012, 06:59 AM
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Thanks for sharing the article with us. Mr. Allan woke up with a much lighter wallet this morning. If you're disgusted with the Crown dropping 8 charges, stay away from the courthouse; there is much worst happening in there!
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11-04-2012, 08:47 AM
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Folks,
A number of years ago I wrote the SRD Minister and asked if the poachers names/location/activity/where happened/$'s fined etc could be published to a web site that is updated regularly.
A kinda "Whose Stealing your Wildlife" site.
I'd thought that there might be a number of positives arise from such a site and these might include:
1] taxpayer seeing returns for enforcement $
2] Shame factor - if any
3] Per group Pressure - if any
4] Areas where enforcement is done
5] Type of tickets - warning and or court
And on and on.
Minister wrote back and told me that they just couldn't do such a thing. Why would anybody be "shamed" for wildlife/fishery tickets.
Curiously other jurisdictions in do this type of thing all the time. Works there.
I suspect that the web site may poke up what most of us think. There is about "0" enforcement out there. Would be a sorrowful experience to have month after month w/o any updates as no new court cases exist.
And the enforcement is going to get worse. Used to be a group called StreamWatch who patrolled the eastern Slopes west of Rocky and in the SW portion of Alberta. The StreamWater group did nearly all the enforcement that happened in the summer. But the group finally folded due to Govt issues. Streamwatch was originally privately funded with officers coming from the enforcement program @ Lethbridge College. Streamwatch was formed because the founders realized that the Govt wasn't doing it's job. After watching AF&G 40 years of resultions telling Govt that they had to do something about enforcement, there had to be another way to get people on the ground.
Streamwatch was a great program finally killed by the bureaucrats.
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11-04-2012, 11:55 AM
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Minister wrote back and told me that they just couldn't do such a thing. Why would anybody be "shamed" for wildlife/fishery tickets.
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Why not ? Good on you for writing the letter; too bad the answer is no more than speculation.
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11-04-2012, 02:54 PM
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fishing with 3 rods, he's got talent.
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11-04-2012, 03:32 PM
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Nice to see.
Good on the guy/gal whom called it in.
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11-04-2012, 07:33 PM
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Great to hear, i love the public shaming...Eat a fat one Ron Allen.
Maybe we could stick these losers with a dirty AIDS infected syringe and refuse them health care while nature took its course...extreme? Definatly, however 1 of these losers alone can devastate a fragile unprotected ecosystem in a relatively short period of time...whose to say that these losers spend less time poaching than Wayne Christie or BGSH spend fishing?
This P.O.S. was caught this time, i'm left wondering how many other defenceless creatures have wrongfully suffered as a result of his misguided sense of entitlement?
Disgusting.
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11-04-2012, 07:51 PM
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You think they'd taste better cause they're so expensive?
Just saying hahahah
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11-04-2012, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Gust
Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?
Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.
When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.
If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.
I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.
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This won't curb poaching - its only going to be a PITA for law biding citizens. Poachers poach because they don't care about the law; adding another law will do nothing to stop them.
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11-04-2012, 11:08 PM
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When did a guy poaching fish turn into the law abiding citizens paying even more money, are you sure you people don't work for the government?
How is me paying an extra 50 cents Gona stop a poacher?
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Originally Posted by Gust
Figured this would be a good spot for an idea I have,,, let's say we create a pay as you go fishing license as do you really think this poacher will stop poaching?
Here's my idea,,, everybody buys a flat rate fishing license the regular way, and everytime you head out you stop by a roadway or gas station setup with a win number receiver.
When f&w ask for your license to fish, a swipe of your win tells f&w that yiu can fish that day or a number of days you picked. If you have infractions, the daily sign on method would have disallowed you to fish.
If you fished 10 times over the year, then the next year your flat rate of $26.00 wiuld be the same but if you fished 100 times -or over the flat rate max- you would have to pay .50 ¢ per outing the next time you get a license. This would generate more towards f&w and curb poaching a bit.
Wait! There's more,,,, seniors and kids would have to get licences too for $5.00,, yup,, geezers and kids,, or a family license,,, this way kids dont get to be the poachers excuse for barbs and bait and lack of knowledge.
I've become bitter as of late,,, long story best saved for another day.
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This litterally makes no sense and it would cost millions to install swipe card machines across the province. Let alone the costs to enforce it. And what if i go fishing at 5am and the gas station isnt open till 10 on sunday?
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11-05-2012, 08:26 AM
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I suspect that the web site may poke up what most of us think. There is about "0" enforcement out there. Would be a sorrowful experience to have month after month w/o any updates as no new court cases exist.
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It's not quite 0 enforcement, in my 10 years of fishing alberta I have been stopped twice by a CO. Once on the crowsnest (last year) and once on gull lake (several years ago). I havn't done the math on what the ratio of days fished to those 2 instances that I was checked but I would say it's probably about .001% enforcement!
It is good to know that someone is being punished though!
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