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12-16-2023, 06:37 AM
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Of course it is, because it eliminates the competition. Everyone knows that an atv can't start a fire if operated by an outfitter, but if operated by a resident hunter, it's a fire hazard.
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ya i wondered about that also? i wonder how many quads actually start fires, sure are a few of them out west and out in the grass lands every summer, maybe they caused all those wildfires last summer? ha
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12-16-2023, 06:54 AM
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Yes guys thick smoke, loosing areas to fire, and loosing access to their own hunting grounds is good for outfitters
Really think about that
The tinfoil hat stuff on AO gets pretty thick at times
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12-16-2023, 07:34 AM
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Yes guys thick smoke, loosing areas to fire, and loosing access to their own hunting grounds is good for outfitters
Really think about that
The tinfoil hat stuff on AO gets pretty thick at times
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I'd say you are the only one implying anything nefarious.
Quite simply, It's outrageous that a foreign citizen gets to use an ATV for the purpose of hunting and access many areas of Public land (including grazing reserves/leases) during a fire ban, while an Alberta citizen can't.
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12-16-2023, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
I'd say you are the only one implying anything nefarious.
Quite simply, It's outrageous that a foreign citizen gets to use an ATV for the purpose of hunting and access many areas of Public land (including grazing reserves/leases) during a fire ban, while an Alberta citizen can't.
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Not suggesting anything nefarious but saying to assume they like or benefit from a bad fire season is crazy
I agree 100% the ban should apply to all when put in place
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12-16-2023, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
Yes guys thick smoke, loosing areas to fire, and loosing access to their own hunting grounds is good for outfitters
Really think about that
The tinfoil hat stuff on AO gets pretty thick at times
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But at least they are allowed to haul foreigners around on atvs, when tax paying residents are not. And the bans apply to areas that have a high risk of fire, not necessarily areas that actually have fires burning nearby. The bottom line, is they are granted an advantage, because it's all about money.
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12-16-2023, 08:58 AM
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It’s getting hard to deny the politically directed enforcement of our laws.
Certain crimes are “strangely unsolvable” while on other issues there is limitless resources and media coverage.
I support a provincial police if for no other reason that at least the political accountability would be in Alberta. Where we can demand some accountability (at least more so than we get from Ottawa).
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12-16-2023, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by elkhunter11
But at least they are allowed to haul foreigners around on atvs, when tax paying residents are not. And the bans apply to areas that have a high risk of fire, not necessarily areas that actually have fires burning nearby. The bottom line, is they are granted an advantage, because it's all about money.
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I have said it many times the reason Alberta resident hunters are falling short vs outfitters is because they are more organized, unified and have developed a stronger voice. Yes they also are better at investing into the system
The reality is residents are completely disorganized, lack involvement, lack a strong unified voice and lack direction overall. It will stay that way as long as hunters keep complaining about the big bad outfitters and FN instead of getting our own camp in order. But most residents want everything for free and point fingers at others instead of making need change
Should outfitters be exempted from an atv ban no and it should apply to everyone when there is a ban as it is in place to lower risk of fire. Do outfitters benefit from the ban no but yes they pushed to be exempt
So when is it time to stop complaining about others and take responsibility for the real reasons why resident hunters fall behind. Till we own it and decide to make change it won’t improve
But this thread is about arson that likely has nothing to do with either group
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01-15-2024, 09:45 PM
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Simple answer is that the media doesn't deem the causation of those news worthy. Doesn't fit their narrative.
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Well that’s not true. Convicted Quebec Arson.
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...ds-of-hectares
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01-15-2024, 09:49 PM
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The sentencing should be interesting. He will likely get a slap on the wrist, and be setting more fires shortly.
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01-15-2024, 10:01 PM
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He should be tied to a tree and burned.
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01-15-2024, 10:13 PM
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He should be tied to a tree and burned.
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That would be the most appropriate, but far too harsh for our society.
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01-16-2024, 11:20 AM
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01-16-2024, 12:17 PM
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The CBC so not some conspiracy rag, stumbled on this, what can one say ??
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxkX6NPpe14
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01-18-2024, 08:49 AM
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Another one
Canadian charged for allegedly lighting a fire that grew to be the largest in Nova Scotia's history
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-lake-wildfire
Charges have been laid against a 22-year-old Nova Scotia man for allegedly lighting a fire last May that grew to become the largest wildfire in the province’s recorded history.
The Barrington Lake fire southwest of Shelburne, N.S., was ignited on May 26, 2023, and burned 23,000 hectares before it was brought under control on June 13 and extinguished more than a month later.
The province’s Natural Resources Department issued a statement today saying Dalton Clark Stewart of Villagedale, N.S., was charged Wednesday with three offences under the Forests Act.
Stewart is accused of: lighting a fire on privately owned land without permission of the owner; failing to take reasonable efforts to prevent the spread of a fire; and leaving a fire unattended.
Violations under the act can result in a maximum fine of $50,000 and up to six months in jail.
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01-18-2024, 08:56 AM
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Canadian charged for allegedly lighting a fire that grew to be the largest in Nova Scotia's history
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada...-lake-wildfire
Charges have been laid against a 22-year-old Nova Scotia man for allegedly lighting a fire last May that grew to become the largest wildfire in the province’s recorded history.
The Barrington Lake fire southwest of Shelburne, N.S., was ignited on May 26, 2023, and burned 23,000 hectares before it was brought under control on June 13 and extinguished more than a month later.
The province’s Natural Resources Department issued a statement today saying Dalton Clark Stewart of Villagedale, N.S., was charged Wednesday with three offences under the Forests Act.
Stewart is accused of: lighting a fire on privately owned land without permission of the owner; failing to take reasonable efforts to prevent the spread of a fire; and leaving a fire unattended.
Violations under the act can result in a maximum fine of $50,000 and up to six months in jail.
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Wow, up to $50k, and six months in jail, what a deterrent.
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01-18-2024, 09:18 AM
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Convicted arsonists should be sued civilly to cover the costs associated to fire fighting. I believe there is such a process, but Provinces don't use it often to my knowledge...
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01-18-2024, 05:11 PM
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A 28-year-old woman has been arrested after a series of fires were intentionally set along the Galloping Goose Trail in Sooke, B.C.
I couldn’t find the other article but there was a woman that was also caught lighting fires to increase the blueberries.
Quebec police have charged a 37-year-old man with arson in connection with what the CBC reports as “numerous forest fires that burned earlier this summer in the province’s north./
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the blueberry lady was just north of Edmonton
28 or so fires started and she confirmed she did them and yet she plead guilty to only 4 and the judge said she was sentenced on all 28 (DONT know how that happens in alberta courts though). she got a slap on the wrist, a year probation? perhaps
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01-18-2024, 05:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Cement Bench
the blueberry lady was just north of Edmonton
28 or so fires started and she confirmed she did them and yet she plead guilty to only 4 and the judge said she was sentenced on all 28 (DONT know how that happens in alberta courts though). she got a slap on the wrist, a year probation? perhaps
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If they were to sentence these idiots to 6 months per fire, served consecutively, there would be a deterrent.
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01-18-2024, 09:57 PM
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01-19-2024, 07:54 AM
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I would like to understand the reason why they set these fires.It just doesn't make sense
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01-19-2024, 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Smoky buck
I have said it many times the reason Alberta resident hunters are falling short vs outfitters is because they are more organized, unified and have developed a stronger voice. Yes they also are better at investing into the system
The reality is residents are completely disorganized, lack involvement, lack a strong unified voice and lack direction overall. It will stay that way as long as hunters keep complaining about the big bad outfitters and FN instead of getting our own camp in order. But most residents want everything for free and point fingers at others instead of making need change
Should outfitters be exempted from an atv ban no and it should apply to everyone when there is a ban as it is in place to lower risk of fire. Do outfitters benefit from the ban no but yes they pushed to be exempt
So when is it time to stop complaining about others and take responsibility for the real reasons why resident hunters fall behind. Till we own it and decide to make change it won’t improve
But this thread is about arson that likely has nothing to do with either group
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I think you are absolutely correct.
Divided then conquered.
But back to the original post. At what point is church burning considered terrorism?
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01-19-2024, 08:32 AM
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I think you are absolutely correct.
Divided then conquered.
But back to the original post. At what point is church burning considered terrorism?
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When its a Mosque
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01-19-2024, 08:44 AM
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I would like to understand the reason why they set these fires.It just doesn't make sense
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Climate change agenda follow the money trail
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01-19-2024, 08:45 AM
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When its a Mosque
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Bingo we have a winner !!!!!
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01-19-2024, 09:19 AM
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"Charges have been laid against an Alberta man in connection with what RCMP call “a series of intentionally set wildfires,” as well as several arsons to vehicles, homes and a church."
It's time to use the term "Wildfire" only for Naturally occurring fires.
The media should use "People-kind Fire".
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01-19-2024, 10:12 AM
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I would like to understand the reason why they set these fires.It just doesn't make sense
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Crazy people don't make sense. Nor do they need a reason. They just do what they do because they feel like doing it. They may make up excuses when they get caught, but they do these things because their minds are defective or in most cases they are simply evil.
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01-19-2024, 10:25 AM
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I would like to understand the reason why they set these fires.It just doesn't make sense
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With several people involved, they likely have different reasons. Some may have political agendas, some may be delusional, and some just may be crazy.
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02-19-2024, 10:44 PM
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I don’t know how to post links but I saw a story about a woman charged with multiple arson in last year’s Alberta wildfires.
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