Way too many tags....again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[trophyboy]

I checked the tag counts in the southern zones of Alberta and once again I was disgusted with the ridiculous amount of mule deer tags given out. Some of the zones don't even have enough bucks to cover the amount of buck tags given and the amount of doe tags given makes me want to throw up in my mouth again! Will the stupidity ever end in this province?

Anyone know where I can find out how many outfitter mule deer tags were given for each zone? I bet it is ridiculously disproportional as always.

Anyone know of any way to get any of this changed?

[Don K]

It won't change. It won't end. Unfortunately our system is messed up and it's not going to get better until it absolutely collapses...

[Ryry4]

Well at least they stopped the cull hunts. Oh wait...

[H380]

Originally Posted by Ryry4

Well at least they stopped the cull hunts. Oh wait...

LOL .. Good one . I see in my zone of 108 there have been 675 whitetail doe tags given , which is way higher than the other closest zone in numbers . Lots of does here and I am guessing their reasoning is that this way they can get by with not having to instigate another February cull hunt cause they gave out all those extra tags for regular season . Smart move , except that a lot of the trouble animals { the ones that live in town } are NEVER available to hunters , regular season or special cull hunt .

[walking buffalo]

Trophyboy

The 2013 Outfitter Allocation "Agreement" (in quotes due this not being a true agreement between the parties) has just been finalized in the last few weeks and will soon become available. I have some of the numbers, and when they are all available I will once again make sure that this information is passed on to the public.

To get an understanding of what "too many tags" means to you, what percentage of the population should be available for harvest in a season?

Which wmus in particular concern you as having "too many tags" available for Residents?

[martinnordegg]

Originally Posted by walking buffalo

Trophyboy

The 2013 Outfitter Allocation "Agreement" (in quotes due this not being a true agreement between the parties) has just been finalized in the last few weeks and will soon become available. I have some of the numbers, and when they are all available I will once again make sure that this information is passed on to the public.

To get an understanding of what "too many tags" means to you, what percentage of the population should be available for harvest in a season?

Which wmus in particular concern you as having "too many tags" available for Residents?

That is going to be some interesting information. Thanks for taking the time to stay on top of this. I am also assuming this will be locked in for a five year period.

[Ranger CS]

For your information, not all WMU in southern Alberta have a deficit of mule deer. Some have an abundance of them, in fact too many in my opinion and the numbers need to be reduced.

[Deer Hunter]

Originally Posted by Ranger CS

For your information, not all WMU in southern Alberta have a deficit of mule deer. Some have an abundance of them, in fact too many in my opinion and the numbers need to be reduced.

Yes, I agree, these WMU's are what are being groomed as "trophy zones". This is where outfitters and landowners have the majority of the tags year over year, and where the resident NR draw wait times are extremely long. Adding to the lost resident opportunity, these WMU's have now put resident mule deer archery on draw too.

This process is enabled by the SMA (Species Management Area -outfitter areas) versus WMU (other users) process. This is where outfitter allocations are assigned by SMA (multiple WMU's make up a SMA). Inside the SMA the outfitter allocations are high in the trophy WMU's, enabled by lower allocations in the other WMU's making up that SMA. They then claim that they are within the guidelines on that SMA even though it really isn't fair on a WMU level.

WMU 138 is a "trophy zone". Mule deer are everywhere, tons of crown lease too. There were 5 resident/NR drawn in 2010 (216 applicants). There were 6 outfitter tags allocated, And 6 landowner tags. And bowhunters now need an impossible odds draw tag too.

Until a group takes this issue on as a priority, it is only going to get worse.

[hillbillyreefer]

Originally Posted by Ranger CS

For your information, not all WMU in southern Alberta have a deficit of mule deer. Some have an abundance of them, in fact too many in my opinion and the numbers need to be reduced.

X2.

Lots of city guys on here that don't have to watch them starve to death in a mother nature organized cull. With all the culling done by humans I never noticed a significant difference in deer numbers. The real difference in the populations started to occur during the last couple of hard winters. The populations will come back and if they aren't managed properly we will need another cull.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by trophyboy

I checked the tag counts in the southern zones of Alberta and once again I was disgusted with the ridiculous amount of mule deer tags given out. Some of the zones don't even have enough bucks to cover the amount of buck tags given and the amount of doe tags given makes me want to throw up in my mouth again! Will the stupidity ever end in this province?

Anyone know where I can find out how many outfitter mule deer tags were given for each zone? I bet it is ridiculously disproportional as always.

Anyone know of any way to get any of this changed?

Your name indicates what's important to you. Not everyone is so inclined.

So more buck tags than bucks? And what statistics do you have to back up your claim? And what is the success rate in these WMU's? They can give out twice as many tags as animals if the success rate is really low.

[Wazy.338]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Your name indicates what's important to you. Not everyone is so inclined.

So more buck tags than bucks? And what statistics do you have to back up your claim? And what is the success rate in these WMU's? They can give out twice as many tags as animals if the success rate is really low.

Glad to see some people get it here,,RoscoeT nailed it as well.

[Drop_Tine]

I don't get the arrogance about trophy hunters not caring about the deer , what's the beef ?? Jealous ?? ... That statement is so wrong and really the total opposite !!

Easy to walk out the door and shoot the first buck or doe I see . But since my passion is hunting I try to find the biggest/mature bucks I can , nothing wrong with shooting the first animal you see either . There just needs to be better management of the deer heards , zone specific of course . The "trophy" hunter knows what out in there zone as the countless hrs spent scouting , shed hunting , feeding the deer in the winter to get them threw the tough spells.

[JRsMav]

Originally Posted by Drop_Tine

I don't get the arrogance about trophy hunters not caring about the deer , what's the beef ?? Jealous ?? ... That statement is so wrong and really the total opposite !!

Easy to walk out the door and shoot the first buck or doe I see . But since my passion is hunting I try to find the biggest/mature bucks I can , nothing wrong with shooting the first animal you see either . There just needs to be better management of the deer heards , zone specific of course . The "trophy" hunter knows what out in there zone as the countless hrs spent scouting , shed hunting , feeding the deer in the winter to get them threw the tough spells.

I 'trophy' hunt. I have no clue why you think anyone would be 'jealous' of me as I haven't fired a round at an animal in almost 3 years. So please clarify why you feel there would be any grounds for anyone in their right mind to be jealous of a trophy hunter. To say trophy hunters are anymore in tune with animal herds is ridiculous. I know and hunt with plenty of guys that spend just as much time if not more scouting to shoot their annual meat deer as I do.

[Drop_Tine]

Originally Posted by JRsMav

I 'trophy' hunt. I have no clue why you think anyone would be 'jealous' of me as I haven't fired a round at an animal in almost 3 years. So please clarify why you feel there would be any grounds for anyone in their right mind to be jealous of a trophy hunter. To say trophy hunters are anymore in tune with animal herds is ridiculous. I know and hunt with plenty of guys that spend just as much time if not more scouting to shoot their annual meat deer as I do.

It's the arrogance about trophy hunters not caring about the deer herds and a they want is bone on the wall ... WRONG

I never said they were jealous . I asked what there beef was about trophy hunters not caring and if it was cause they were jealous !!???? Just wanna know why trophy hunters have the I don't care about deer numbers just about the trophy wrap ??

That's great your buddies spend a lot of time in the field!

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by Drop_Tine

I don't get the arrogance about trophy hunters not caring about the deer , what's the beef ?? Jealous ?? ... That statement is so wrong and really the total opposite !!

Easy to walk out the door and shoot the first buck or doe I see . But since my passion is hunting I try to find the biggest/mature bucks I can , nothing wrong with shooting the first animal you see either . There just needs to be better management of the deer heards , zone specific of course . The "trophy" hunter knows what out in there zone as the countless hrs spent scouting , shed hunting , feeding the deer in the winter to get them threw the tough spells.

Nobody said a trophy hunter doesn't "care about deer" I don't even know what that means.

[Drop_Tine]

Originally Posted by Okotokian

Your name indicates what's important to you. Not everyone is so inclined.

So more buck tags than bucks? And what statistics do you have to back up your claim? And what is the success rate in these WMU's? They can give out twice as many tags as animals if the success rate is really low.

And here on ur first line !!