Marijuana

[great white whaler]

Harper government to crack down on people who get busted instead of 7 years in jail she'll be 14 years in jail ,,,,what this guy on crack ?

[rugatika]

Originally Posted by great white whaler

Harper government to crack down on people who get busted instead of 7 years in jail she'll be 14 years in jail ,,,,what this guy on crack ?

He's on crack...ing down on crime. Boob Rae is already whining. If a liberal is against it, you just know it's a good thing.

This should be good for the jail building industry. I believe it's just for dudes growing more than 6 plants isn't it?? Those that are obviously out to sell it.

Isn't he increasing min's for all sorts of things...not just pot?

[doetracks]

And Bob was complaining about how much he thinks it will cost to jail a person.

So, he would rather have then on the street? WT...???

[Nait Hadya]

i don't mind my tax dollars going towards boarding that piece of scum who lives down the street from a school and has a grow op in the sub floor, in the nearest pen. or closeing down that there meth lab's and listen to them bitch and squeal in the pen for 14.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.
People don't set out expecting to get caught so...this won't reduce crime only punish those that do crime and manage to get caught.

I'd rather see better deterrence like more money for policing. This would help us catch the baddies and be a better deternce because there would be an elevated expectation of getting caught.

Besides we are already number 2 for the number of people in jail...in the west.
Only the US has more.

Funny how the countries that seem to have the most people in jail and the least invested in prevention and rehabilitation...also have the highest crime rates...

Finally the war on drugs is about 40 years old now and we seem to still be losing...
Maybe a change in tactics is in order?
Especially with the softer stuff like pot... good Lord... it's the safest drug in the world including alcohol.

[Okotokian]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.

Unfortunately true. Amazingly (to me) prison spending passed university spending in California a decade ago. Insane, wasteful, and it hasn't slowed crime there. I am absolutely for stiffer sentences, but we should be under no illusions that this alone will drop the crime rate. The only semi-direct correlation to crime statistics has been the average age of the population. Young punks commit more crime, and it's been actually dropping as our population ages. Grandpa doesn't do a lot of B&E's.

[tommyguitar]

A clear move by Harper to fill the new jails. Pretty sad that the country stepping away from decriminalization for that. Think of the tax revenue that could be gained..

[alwaysfishn]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.

The only reason it is not a deterrent is because our jails are basically a resort destination for criminals! Put them in work chain gangs, house them in tents, make them cook their own food, do their own laundry, etc.

The fact is people know when they are committing a crime and criminals make a conscious choice to do so! More policing while good, is expensive and breeds more creative criminals. Along with that comes the attitude that a crime is ok as long as you don't get caught....

The fact is a crime is a choice and needs to be punished. If more criminals experienced that, word would get out. In countries like Saudi Arabia their is very little theft because the punishment is the severance of your right hand. Maybe that is an alternative??

[AndrewM]

It is a law that has to due with growing it. It is a law that is going after the drug dealers. It has nothing to do with changing the possession laws or against smoking it.

[cody c]

Originally Posted by alwaysfishn

The only reason it is not a deterrent is because our jails are basically a resort destination for criminals! Put them in work chain gangs, house them in tents, make them cook their own food, do their own laundry, etc.

The fact is people know when they are committing a crime and criminals make a conscious choice to do so! More policing while good, is expensive and breeds more creative criminals. Along with that comes the attitude that a crime is ok as long as you don't get caught....

The fact is a crime is a choice and needs to be punished. If more criminals experienced that, word would get out. In countries like Saudi Arabia their is very little theft because the punishment is the severance of your right hand. Maybe that is an alternative??

I believe there have been studies to show that putting someone in jail only serves satisfaction for victims, but actually does not generally correct the behaviour of criminals. I think the system has to look at ways to reform criminals, rather than just to punish them.

Having said that I am a fan of the idea of work camps and chain gangs. Hard labour=hard time. Or make some soyulent green out of em!

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by alwaysfishn

The only reason it is not a deterrent is because our jails are basically a resort destination for criminals! Put them in work chain gangs, house them in tents, make them cook their own food, do their own laundry, etc.

The fact is people know when they are committing a crime and criminals make a conscious choice to do so! More policing while good, is expensive and breeds more creative criminals. Along with that comes the attitude that a crime is ok as long as you don't get caught....

The fact is a crime is a choice and needs to be punished. If more criminals experienced that, word would get out. In countries like Saudi Arabia their is very little theft because the punishment is the severance of your right hand. Maybe that is an alternative??

I disagree.
It isn't a deterrent because it is a response to crime that was planned and executed without the expectation of being caught.
Nobody goes out and does something thinking....as soon as I do this...I'm going to get caught.

Think about it. Like most people you probably speed once in a while.
Do you do that expecting to get caught?

I think the best deterrent is more police and to address social and mental health issues that are linked to crime.

Longer sentences always make people happy and create the illusion that government takes crime seriously but in the end it's just smoke and mirrors.

Prevention is about stopping crime before it takes place.
Longer sentences and stiffer punishment is reaction to crimes already commited and and appeals to peoples base desires for revenge.

I would agree that some crimes certainly do merit longer sentences though.

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by alwaysfishn

The only reason it is not a deterrent is because our jails are basically a resort destination for criminals! Put them in work chain gangs, house them in tents, make them cook their own food, do their own laundry, etc.

The fact is people know when they are committing a crime and criminals make a conscious choice to do so! More policing while good, is expensive and breeds more creative criminals. Along with that comes the attitude that a crime is ok as long as you don't get caught....

The fact is a crime is a choice and needs to be punished. If more criminals experienced that, word would get out. In countries like Saudi Arabia their is very little theft because the punishment is the severance of your right hand. Maybe that is an alternative??

Have you ever been in our prisons?
The reason we give prisoners something to entertain themselves is...it' safer for guards and prison is supposed to be correction not just punishment.
A guilded cage is still a cage.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

Originally Posted by alwaysfishn

The only reason it is not a deterrent is because our jails are basically a resort destination for criminals! Put them in work chain gangs, house them in tents, make them cook their own food, do their own laundry, etc.

The fact is people know when they are committing a crime and criminals make a conscious choice to do so! More policing while good, is expensive and breeds more creative criminals. Along with that comes the attitude that a crime is ok as long as you don't get caught....

The fact is a crime is a choice and needs to be punished. If more criminals experienced that, word would get out. In countries like Saudi Arabia their is very little theft because the punishment is the severance of your right hand. Maybe that is an alternative??

Well put!

Rehab doesn't work! 40 years of it is Proof enough!
and deterences don't work if Society, and the youth are not interested in it.

[bigdaddy37]

[QUOTE=pesky672;1087606]Jail isn't much of a deterrent.
People don't set out expecting to get caught so...this won't reduce crime only punish those that do crime and manage to get caught.

I'd rather see better deterrence like more money for policing. This would help us catch the baddies and be a better deternce because there would be an elevated expectation of getting caught.

Besides we are already number 2 for the number of people in jail...in the west.
Only the US has more.

Funny how the countries that seem to have the most people in jail and the least invested in prevention and rehabilitation...also have the highest crime rates...

QUOTE]

Jail isn't a deterrent but putting more $ into policing to catch the bad guys because getting caught is more of a deterrent? Doesn't make sense. If being in jail isnt a deterrent, how can getting caught be one?

Western countries have more people in jail because countries like China, Vietnam, Korea, etc execute their criminals, chop off their hands, cane them etc. Their prison system is not near as nice as ours. The only reason they don't have more people in prison is because the criminals don't live long enough to get counted. I doubt these countries invest any $ in rehab and the punishment is pretty good prevention.

[Sundancefisher]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.
People don't set out expecting to get caught so...this won't reduce crime only punish those that do crime and manage to get caught.

I'd rather see better deterrence like more money for policing. This would help us catch the baddies and be a better deternce because there would be an elevated expectation of getting caught.

Besides we are already number 2 for the number of people in jail...in the west.
Only the US has more.

Funny how the countries that seem to have the most people in jail and the least invested in prevention and rehabilitation...also have the highest crime rates...

Finally the war on drugs is about 40 years old now and we seem to still be losing...
Maybe a change in tactics is in order?
Especially with the softer stuff like pot... good Lord... it's the safest drug in the world including alcohol.

I thought the NDP is in mourning still...but since you ask...I want you two provide the crime rates and the number out of 100,000 citizens are in jail (population comparison factored in) for Canada, US, Mexico, Brazil, Nigeria, Congo, Afganistan, India...if you would be so kind. Your statement is fishy...

[Grizzly Adams]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.
People don't set out expecting to get caught so...this won't reduce crime only punish those that do crime and manage to get caught.

I'd rather see better deterrence like more money for policing. This would help us catch the baddies and be a better deternce because there would be an elevated expectation of getting caught.

Besides we are already number 2 for the number of people in jail...in the west.
Only the US has more.

Funny how the countries that seem to have the most people in jail and the least invested in prevention and rehabilitation...also have the highest crime rates...

Finally the war on drugs is about 40 years old now and we seem to still be losing...
Maybe a change in tactics is in order?
Especially with the softer stuff like pot... good Lord... it's the safest drug in the world including alcohol.

Jail is a damn good deterrent if you go long enough to really matter, to your Life. Besides, while you're in there, we won't have to worry about you committing any more crimes. Cost ? I suggest dropping the standard of Living of incarcerated felons, dramatically. Make it bad enough, that no one in his right mind would want to go back and while you're in there, we'll make you work your ass off.

Comment by Calgary's Police chief today. Guy got busted with drugs. In Canada he would have gotten three years, but since it was the US border service who busted him, he's doing thirty. You don't think that's a deterrent?

Grizz

Grizz

[Big Daddy Badger]

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams

Jail is a damn good deterrent if you go long enough to really matter, to your Life. Besides, while you're in there, we won't have to worry about you committing any more crimes. Cost ? I suggest dropping the standard of Living of incarcerated felons, dramatically. Make it bad enough, that no one in his right mind would want to go back and while you're in there, we'll make you work your ass off.

Comment by Calgary's Police chief today. Guy got busted with drugs. In Canada he would have gotten three years, but since it was the US border service who busted him, he's doing thirty. You don't think that's a deterrent?

Grizz

Grizz

Well duh...let me think about that for a minute.

Nope....obviously not... he committed the crime didn't he?
A deterrent would have prevented that.
Thats what deterrent means...

The deterrent in having more police is...a reduction in the confidence that you won't get caught.

[nanuk-O-dah-Nort]

Originally Posted by pesky672

Jail isn't much of a deterrent.......
Especially with the softer stuff like pot... good Lord... it's the safest drug in the world including alcohol.

Jail is not meant to be a deterent! Jail was, and always will be about the safety and security of society.


as for Pot being the safest???? You are joking RIGHT???
or you are impaired by youth pot smoking!

Pot is quickly becoming one of the leading causes of mental illness in our youth.

the cost to society will be far more than a few Jails to hold the thugs who poison our children