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Old 03-31-2016, 09:45 AM
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Default Intresting study on the birds killed by various electrical power sources

It estimates that wind farms are
responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of
electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossilfueled
power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within
the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related
avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in
2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power
plants 24 million.


http://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery....105085&EXT=pdf
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Old 03-31-2016, 01:31 PM
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Sovacool is a well known anti nuclear activist/researcher

He list deaths caused by mining for uranium and coal and oil...however does not count mining of steal for turbines.

He has also been charged with failing to live up to fair research methodology.

Oil and Gas reports all deaths. His study does not account for scavanger loss and search efficiency for wind farms.

He also uses lots of assumptions in his "research"

http://atomicinsights.com/nukes-kill...rds-than-wind/

There are a lot more oil and gas facilities than wind. I see birds nesting on platforms created by the oil and gas industry. Birds don't fly into pump jacks and die. They don't fly into pipelines and die. They do fly into turbines and die.

Unfortunately the study you posted is very outdated in this field. Lots of studies have been done since 2012 to highlight bird deaths in windfarms.
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Too bad they didn't compare their stats to the amount of birds killed by flying into windows on high-rises in the cities. Or the amount killed by house cats
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Too bad they didn't compare their stats to the amount of birds killed by flying into windows on high-rises in the cities. Or the amount killed by house cats
There are tons of birds killed from building. Leaving lights on is terrible. If you look in the morning at dawn I see all kinds of birds
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There have been a couple fly into my house windows in the last few weeks. On the west side after the sun moves farther west. That is what made me think of it. Saw a news report a few years back. The numbers are surprising.
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I'd like to see a study on how many are killed eating out of McDonald's dumpsters.
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Too bad they didn't compare their stats to the amount of birds killed by flying into windows on high-rises in the cities. Or the amount killed by house cats

Agreed.

Cornell Lab of Ornithology estimates that at least 100 million birds per year die in window collisions.

wildlifemanagementinstitute.org says this about birds and cats.

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The finding that cats are only bringing back less than one quarter of their kills to their residence counters previous studies that tried to gauge the impacts of domestic cats on wildlife. Those earlier estimates of a billion birds and animals per year were based on mortality counts from animals that the cats brought home with them.
Makes wind turbines look pretty bird friendly in comparison.
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Agreed.

Cornell Lab of Ornithology estimates that at least 100 million birds per year die in window collisions.

wildlifemanagementinstitute.org says this about birds and cats.



Makes wind turbines look pretty bird friendly in comparison.
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...b.260/abstract

Likely more than 600,000 birds a year and 800,000 bats killed by farms. More turbines installed since the 2013 study.
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http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...b.260/abstract

Likely more than 600,000 birds a year and 800,000 bats killed by farms. More turbines installed since the 2013 study.

It will do little good to eliminate the source of 600,000 preventable deaths per year if we ignore the sources of an additional 1.1 billion or more preventable deaths per year.

Not that nothing should be done, but that we need the whole truth if there is to be any hope of an effective strategy being developed.

We all ready have far too many conservation laws that focus on one species to the detriment of all others.
For example, the fire prevention strategy to enhance lumber production potential.

A healthy environment encompasses all species and many many natural factors that often do not fit well with human consumption goals.

Fire, insects, and disease evolved as part of a healthy ecosystem.
We suppress them at our peril.

I remember a time when no one sprayed weeds anywhere. Farm production was much lower then, then it is today but so were cancer rates and wildlife populations on those farms was much much higher then it is today.

I see the same thing with tick populations. They were always there but as antlercarver says, there seems to be a serious increase in the frequency and severity of tick outbreaks since fire suppression became common practice.

Something else to consider. Who is studying the disappearance of Grayling from the Peace River watershed ?
It seems to me that there is major cause for concern there, yet no one seems to care. Why?
Is it because no one fished for them? Is it because they played no role in the ecosystem? Or is it that there is no money to be made in conserving them?

Let us be honest here folks. It is rare that our interests or the interests of the world around us is the motivation behind any conservation plan.
Salmon populations were not a concern when only anglers were effected.
No effort was made to enhance Moose and Elk populations until outfitting became big business. Forest fires were not suppressed until the lumber industry called for it.

Someone has reason to want to shut down wind farms. I ask myself why. Is it really about the bird kills. If so, why isn't window strikes and domestic cats part of the argument against them?

I get really suspicious when the whole truth is not presented. I smell money, a lot of money. And in my experience, when big money is involved, conservation is never a consideration. Nor is what is in the best interest of the public.
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Ottawa killing birds. More than one thinks.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?playlistId=1.2845207

Much out cry compared to Fort Mac ducks?
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Ottawa killing birds. More than one thinks.

http://bc.ctvnews.ca/mobile/video?playlistId=1.2845207

Much out cry compared to Fort Mac ducks?
Maybe the Migratory Birds Act should apply to 'green' sources of energy, not just major pipelines. If pipeline companies can't build a right of way during migration & nesting periods, why should wind turbines be allowed to spin? I mean... if it saves just 1 duck....
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It estimates that wind farms are
responsible for roughly 0.27 avian fatalities per gigawatt-hour (GWh) of
electricity while nuclear power plants involve 0.6 fatalities per GWh and fossilfueled
power stations are responsible for about 9.4 fatalities per GWh. Within
the uncertainties of the data used, the estimate means that wind farm-related
avian fatalities equated to approximately 46,000 birds in the United States in
2009, but nuclear power plants killed about 460,000 and fossil-fueled power
plants 24 million.


http://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery....105085&EXT=pdf
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