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Old 04-13-2011, 08:20 PM
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So, the RCMP Officer that literally beat the p*** out of the drunk in the Lac LaBiche lockup pleaded guilty to assault and got 3 months house arrest followed by 3 months probation (I think it was?). WHAT A FRICKIN JOKE!!!! Whatever happened to holding police officers to a higher standard? Hopefully he will be discharged from the RCMP in his upcoming administrative hearing...........it doesn't sound like they are going to protect this guy.........and rightfully so!
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:24 PM
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I think it will be difficult for this guy to hold onto his job after being convicted. At least he got something and I am sure losing his job will be part of the consequence of his actions.
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Old 04-13-2011, 08:30 PM
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Good thing he didn't abuse an animal instead of a human being, then he'd actually do jail time instead of house arrest....really. Just do a google search on animal abuse in Canada or Alberta, and you will see that the sentences handed down for harming animals is generally more severe than for laying a beating on person. Not to say those sentences (for animal abuse) are harsh, just that the legal system is a joke at best, and justice is skewed in odd directions. As to the mountie in this case, can you say 'Whitewash'?

Edit: here's a link to a story, couple years old but hilights my point nicely.

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You know this bashing that's been going on lately of RCMP is getting old. For any 1 member who messes up, there's another 18000 Canadian members that are doing their job to keep people safe by potentially putting themselves in harms way. You can't paint the whole system with that big broad brush stroke.
Not saying that this guy should continue with the Force, just saying I'm sick of hearing about it.
EVERY Profession has screw ups!! They don't hire robots they hire individuals and no one is perfect.
Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!!
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[QUOTE=shooter;905088]You know this bashing that's been going on lately of RCMP is getting old. For any 1 member who messes up, there's another 18000 Canadian members that are doing their job to keep people safe by potentially putting themselves in harms way. You can't paint the whole system with that big broad brush stroke.
Not saying that this guy should continue with the Force, just saying I'm sick of hearing about it.
EVERY Profession has screw ups!! They don't hire robots they hire individuals and no one is perfect.
Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!![/QUOTE

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The punishment is certainly a joke.Hopefully he is discharged from the force for his actions. It's a shame that the reputation of the entire force gets tarnished by a few bad apples, but now it's up to the force to gain some respect from the public by showing that they won't tolerate this type of behavior any longer.
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it's a shame that the reputation of the entire force gets tarnished by a few bad apples, but now it's up to the force to gain some respect from the public by showing that they won't tolerate this type of behavior any longer.
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He should lose his job, clearly he's not capable of doing it properly.

As far as bashing, once again it's like any occupation. Some are good. Some are bad. Certainly the bad ones are more apt to make mistakes because the opportunity presents itself.
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The punishment is certainly a joke.Hopefully he is discharged from the force for his actions. It's a shame that the reputation of the entire force gets tarnished by a few bad apples, but now it's up to the force to gain some respect from the public by showing that they won't tolerate this type of behavior any longer.

X3. I also think that the RCMP shouldn't investigate the RCMP.
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You know this bashing that's been going on lately of RCMP is getting old. For any 1 member who messes up, there's another 18000 Canadian members that are doing their job to keep people safe by potentially putting themselves in harms way. You can't paint the whole system with that big broad brush stroke.
Not saying that this guy should continue with the Force, just saying I'm sick of hearing about it.
EVERY Profession has screw ups!! They don't hire robots they hire individuals and no one is perfect.
Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!!
Don't see any bashing of the RCMP in this thread at all. The fellow was guilty and was charged. The legal system has let us down again in that the punishment does not fit the crime. As has already been mentioned, if he had abused an animal in the same way he did this fellow human being he would likely be in jail. The justice system sucks.
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Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!!
could be he impacted hundreds negatively too and this is the one that he is made to answer......

rather than play guessing games lets stick to the facts.....he committed a crime. noone is bashing the rcmp in general.....just this officer. you dont think thats justified?
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I'm not protecting Dez in any way, he did what he did and now he has to deal with it...however, people in this province, in this country have committed far worse crimes- some multiple times, some against children, women etc and have prior criminal records and received similar or lesser sentences than Dez did.

Dez doesn't have a CR, has no criminal history, he pled guilty rather than going to trial, he acknowledged that he screwed up. There were some legitimate mitigating circumstances (stress post-Mayerthorpe- Dez was friends with and used to work with at least two of the victims), job-related stress in Lac LaBiche and some other things. Not an excuse, just mitigating circumstances that would have been taken into account for anyone else that might have committed an assault such as this.

As far as the comments about being 'held to a higher standard', there might be an expectation that this be the case, however, I can assure you that legally, all people are to be treated equally in the justice system. I'm certainly not naive enough to believe that this is always the case, but that is how it is supposed to work. Police officers shouldn't be treated any differently that any other citizen that commits the same offence. The only caveat would be when a police officer uses their position or authority for advantage or gain- be it financial, personal, psychological gain over another. The same would apply for teachers, lawyers, judges, doctors etc.

FWIW, I worked with Dez for a couple years up north. He's a good guy, a good policeman and has been a good friend in the past. You'd find a lot more people that had good things to say about him than bad, he did have a very positive impact on many people in his work life as well as his personal life. He screwed up, plain and simple. He's now pleaded guilty and has been doled out his punishment. He didn't have any say in his sentence, nor did the RCMP or any other police agency.

Most people that commit an assault similar to the one committed here- assuming they didn't have a CR- would have gotten the same or even less of a sentence. Typically, a suspended sentence or a short CSO with counselling is the norm.

I suspect that he won't be working with the RCMP for long, usually once you are suspended without pay, the writings pretty much on the wall- terminated.

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I'm not protecting Dez in any way, he did what he did and now he has to deal with it...however, people in this province, in this country have committed far worse crimes- some multiple times, some against children, women etc and have prior criminal records and received similar or lesser sentences than Dez did.

Dez doesn't have a CR, has no criminal history, he pled guilty rather than going to trial, he acknowledged that he screwed up. There were some legitimate mitigating circumstances (stress post-Mayerthorpe- Dez was friends with and used to work with at least two of the victims), job-related stress in Lac LaBiche and some other things. Not an excuse, just mitigating circumstances that would have been taken into account for anyone else that might have committed an assault such as this.

As far as the comments about being 'held to a higher standard', there might be an expectation that this be the case, however, I can assure you that legally, all people are to be treated equally in the justice system. I'm certainly not naive enough to believe that this is always the case, but that is how it is supposed to work. Police officers shouldn't be treated any differently that any other citizen that commits the same offence. The only caveat would be when a police officer uses their position or authority for advantage or gain- be it financial, personal, psychological gain over another. The same would apply for teachers, lawyers, judges, doctors etc.

FWIW, I worked with Dez for a couple years up north. He's a good guy, a good policeman and has been a good friend in the past. You'd find a lot more people that had good things to say about him than bad, he did have a very positive impact on many people in his work life as well as his personal life. He screwed up, plain and simple. He's now pleaded guilty and has been doled out his punishment. He didn't have any say in his sentence, nor did the RCMP or any other police agency.

Most people that commit an assault similar to the one committed here- assuming they didn't have a CR- would have gotten the same or even less of a sentence. Typically, a suspended sentence or a short CSO with counselling is the norm.

I suspect that he won't be working with the RCMP for long, usually once you are suspended without pay, the writings pretty much on the wall- terminated.

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Good post as always BigD. A close family member was engaged to be married to Peter. The ramifications of Mayerthorpe are wider and longer-lasting than most can ever imagine. The punishment is just.
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I'm not protecting Dez in any way, he did what he did and now he has to deal with it...however, people in this province, in this country have committed far worse crimes- some multiple times, some against children, women etc and have prior criminal records and received similar or lesser sentences than Dez did.

Dez doesn't have a CR, has no criminal history, he pled guilty rather than going to trial, he acknowledged that he screwed up. There were some legitimate mitigating circumstances (stress post-Mayerthorpe- Dez was friends with and used to work with at least two of the victims), job-related stress in Lac LaBiche and some other things. Not an excuse, just mitigating circumstances that would have been taken into account for anyone else that might have committed an assault such as this.

As far as the comments about being 'held to a higher standard', there might be an expectation that this be the case, however, I can assure you that legally, all people are to be treated equally in the justice system. I'm certainly not naive enough to believe that this is always the case, but that is how it is supposed to work. Police officers shouldn't be treated any differently that any other citizen that commits the same offence. The only caveat would be when a police officer uses their position or authority for advantage or gain- be it financial, personal, psychological gain over another. The same would apply for teachers, lawyers, judges, doctors etc.

FWIW, I worked with Dez for a couple years up north. He's a good guy, a good policeman and has been a good friend in the past. You'd find a lot more people that had good things to say about him than bad, he did have a very positive impact on many people in his work life as well as his personal life. He screwed up, plain and simple. He's now pleaded guilty and has been doled out his punishment. He didn't have any say in his sentence, nor did the RCMP or any other police agency.

Most people that commit an assault similar to the one committed here- assuming they didn't have a CR- would have gotten the same or even less of a sentence. Typically, a suspended sentence or a short CSO with counselling is the norm.

I suspect that he won't be working with the RCMP for long, usually once you are suspended without pay, the writings pretty much on the wall- terminated.

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He's not going to get any sympathy from me I can tell you that outright. IMO what he did epitomizes an act of cowardice. The ONLY reason that he plead guilty was because he didn't have any other option, it was caught on camera! So, PLEASE don't try to make it sound like he did something righteous by pleading guilty!

As far as playing the Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) card as "mitigating circumstances" for his actions............give me a fricken break! We have thousands of soldiers deployed every year that have buddies that are KIA. So, if they go out and sucker punch someone and then beat the p*** out of them when they are down we should give them a big hug and forgive them for what they did because they couldn't help it? His problem wasn't PTSD related, his problem was rage related!

NO, I disagree! If the RCMP is NOT holding it's members to a higher standard than a crackhead that commits the same offence then I see that as a problem right there. I understand the mentality though...........Well how come a crackhead only gets this and a member of the RCMP gets so much more? Because you are a member of the RCMP DOPEY............You are expected to behave better than a crackhead!

Our prisons likely have allot of inmates that were probably nice guys and did allot of good for allot of people............"until they screwed up, plain and simple"................Does that make their crime less of an offence?

If you are lookin for sympathy for this guy from me you know where to find it in the dictionary..........between sh*t and syphilis!
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My point was more that for the few bad apples they have it's very minimal in the 18000 strong personnel that they have.
As pointed out there's S%$t Stains in every profession.
Just like the forum is not made up of a bunch of idiots, the RCMP is not made up of bunch of killers and thugs.
As has been said a couple times, no one is targeting the entire force just the bad apple in this instance.

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... FWIW, I worked with Dez for a couple years up north. He's a good guy, a good policeman and has been a good friend in the past. You'd find a lot more people that had good things to say about him than bad, he did have a very positive impact on many people in his work life as well as his personal life. ...
The same was said about the EPS cop that drove drunk and creamed a teenager and then proceeded to "save" the teenager by doing first aid, weird coincidence? Actually, the mom of a criminal said that about her son after he'd been shot and killed in a failed armed robbery attempt in the US.

I think the main issue here, is not that he was a cop or that he assaulted someone. The fact is he's a cop and is getting a lighter sentence than another "ordinary citizen" committing the same crime.
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He's not going to get any sympathy from me I can tell you that outright. IMO what he did epitomizes an act of cowardice. The ONLY reason that he plead guilty was because he didn't have any other option, it was caught on camera! So, PLEASE don't try to make it sound like he did something righteous by pleading guilty!

As far as playing the Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) card as "mitigating circumstances" for his actions............give me a fricken break! We have thousands of soldiers deployed every year that have buddies that are KIA. So, if they go out and sucker punch someone and then beat the p*** out of them when they are down we should give them a big hug and forgive them for what they did because they couldn't help it? His problem wasn't PTSD related, his problem was rage related!

NO, I disagree! If the RCMP is NOT holding it's members to a higher standard than a crackhead that commits the same offence then I see that as a problem right there. I understand the mentality though...........Well how come a crackhead only gets this and a member of the RCMP gets so much more? Because you are a member of the RCMP DOPEY............You are expected to behave better than a crackhead!

Our prisons likely have allot of inmates that were probably nice guys and did allot of good for allot of people............"until they screwed up, plain and simple"................Does that make their crime less of an offence?

If you are lookin for sympathy for this guy from me you know where to find it in the dictionary..........between sh*t and syphilis!
I don't recall asking anyone for sympathy. I'm merely trying to find an explanation for his actions. This is not the Dez that I knew years ago. I simply suggested that PTSD does change peoples lives and that it may have 'contributed' to his actions. Is that beyond the realm of possiblity? Or are you one of the local AO shrinks? It's not an attempt to make his actions acceptable, not in any way. What he did is inexcusable and I don't believe that he should be allowed to wear the uniform ever again.

Your little bit about our soldiers and PTSD, seems to me we've had a few incidents in our armed forces in the past where people/citizens/POW's were 'mistreated' by our soldiers, and by mistreated I mean beaten, tortured, humiliated and even killed. Does the word Somalia mean anything to you? How about the murder of a 17 year old teen and the attempted cover up by our forces in Afghanistan. The kid was shot in the back of the head. There's a lot more happening with our soldiers than 'sucker punching' people out behind the local watering hole. I bet some or most of the guys that do these things are not mentally healthy. I bet most of them (to their friends and family, who know them best) are 'good' guys, good guys that are not well and need professional help. PTSD, or any other disorder, are not 'cards' to be played as you so eloquently put it. It's a sickness, an illness that has real effects on a person and their actions and decision making process. It affects the way you respond to stress and your emotions. I know from experience, my wife can back me up on this one. She sees the changes in me better than I can. She knows when 'it' is affecting me and in turn affecting her and my family.

I don't get your reference to the crackhead vs RCMP member scenario. This has nothing to do with crackheads. They have their own unique set of issues. A crackhead that beats the crap out of someone for no reason would get the same sentence that Sandboe did, providing he/she had a clean criminal history like Sandboe did. If the said crackhead had 3 previous convictions for assault, then he might get a stiffer sentence.

The RCMP does hold it's members to a higher standard, for the most part. Some incidents in the past have not been handled properly and the force knows that. There have been some positive changes taking place and the fact that Sandboe is going to be canned is evidence of this. So are the actions the RCMP have taken with respect to Geoff Mantler- he too will likely be turfed. Is this not accountability? Our system may not be perfect, or maybe not even close, but is any system?

As for your reference to nice guys in prison, you're right. A lot of these people may have been nice, may have done good things in the past. The fact is that they did enough bad things to be sentenced to prison. We all know that first, second, third and even fourth time offenders don't get prison time. A guy can beat the crap out of his wife for years, get arrested for same over and over and end up never seeing prison time. Just doesn't happen. I've arrested impaired drivers that have injured innocent people. They've had numerous previous impaired convictions but they end up doing 90 days in custody but are allowed to serve it at the local detachment on weekends so he can keep his job and stay out of the prison system. How about the drug couriers/dealers that I've nailed that have several previous convictions for trafficking...and they get a 12 month CSO- basically house arrest with conditions. To get prison time, you need to be a bad dude and you need to have shown a history of committing similar offences over an extended period of time. Your analogy doesn't make any sense.

In regards to your last sentence- I'm not asking for your sympathy for Sandboe. You seem to be engaging your emotions rather than your brain.
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Dez doesn't have a CR, has no criminal history,
I would have thought that that would go without saying for a member of the RCMP or for any law enforcement officer for that matter. Apparently not, however. Otherwise you would not have seen the need to include this statement in your defense of your fellow officer.

If it is indeed possible for an individual with a criminal record to serve as a member of the RCMP then I think criticism of the force as a whole, and not just of the individual who carried out the assault, is entirely appropriate.
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.........he pled guilty rather than going to trial, he acknowledged that he screwed up.
If you are implying that he accepted responsibility for his actions then why did he initially try to charge Clyburn with assaulting a peace officer? I'm guessing that he hadn't known at the time that his actions were caught on camera. So let's add being a liar to the list of what this guy is!!!!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/albe...-17979831.html

"Philp also slammed the Mountie for initially providing a version of events that “minimized” his actions.

Afterwards, Sandboe initially claimed that Clyburn had lunged at him first and charged him with assaulting a peace officer. That charge was later withdrawn."
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If you are implying that he accepted responsibility for his actions then why did he initially try to charge Clyburn with assaulting a peace officer? I'm guessing that he hadn't known at the time that his actions were caught on camera. So let's add being a liar to the list of what this guy is!!!!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/albe...-17979831.html

"Philp also slammed the Mountie for initially providing a version of events that “minimized” his actions.

Afterwards, Sandboe initially claimed that Clyburn had lunged at him first and charged him with assaulting a peace officer. That charge was later withdrawn."
Remember that "Dez" is a really good guy though. That's what other officers say anyways! LOL!

So he flipped out and assaulted someone for no reason and then,to add insult to injury,he laid a false charge against the victim of his assault. Does that make him a bad guy? YES IT DOES!!!! It makes him a criminal.
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If you are implying that he accepted responsibility for his actions then why did he initially try to charge Clyburn with assaulting a peace officer? I'm guessing that he hadn't known at the time that his actions were caught on camera. So let's add being a liar to the list of what this guy is!!!!

http://www.edmontonsun.com/news/albe...-17979831.html

"Philp also slammed the Mountie for initially providing a version of events that “minimized” his actions.

Afterwards, Sandboe initially claimed that Clyburn had lunged at him first and charged him with assaulting a peace officer. That charge was later withdrawn."
I'm simply saying that in the end, he owned up to what he did. I didn't say that he pled guilty the day after the incident, I simply said he pled guilty. I have no idea what was going through his mind when he lied about the incident, I wasn't there nor have I asked him about it. About the camera, every Mountie knows they are on camera in cells. I'm pretty sure every detachment in the country has cell cams. Policy. I did not dispute that he was a liar. Not once.
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You know this bashing that's been going on lately of RCMP is getting old. For any 1 member who messes up, there's another 18000 Canadian members that are doing their job to keep people safe by potentially putting themselves in harms way. You can't paint the whole system with that big broad brush stroke.
Not saying that this guy should continue with the Force, just saying I'm sick of hearing about it.
EVERY Profession has screw ups!! They don't hire robots they hire individuals and no one is perfect.
Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!!
1 in 18,000

How short do you think the memory of the AO members is on this forum when it comes to police assaults and murders on civilians?

How dumb do you think the members of this AO forum are in responding to only 1 bad policeman in 18,000.

This forum is not made up by a bunch of idiots.
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1 in 18,000

How short do you think the memory of the AO members is on this forum when it comes to police assaults and murders on civilians?

How dumb do you think the members of this AO forum are in responding to only 1 bad policeman in 18,000.

This forum is not made up by a bunch of idiots.
My point was more that for the few bad apples they have it's very minimal in the 18000 strong personnel that they have.
As pointed out there's S%$t Stains in every profession.
Just like the forum is not made up of a bunch of idiots, the RCMP is not made up of bunch of killers and thugs.
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My point was more that for the few bad apples they have it's very minimal in the 18000 strong personnel that they have.
As pointed out there's S%$t Stains in every profession.
Just like the forum is not made up of a bunch of idiots, the RCMP is not made up of bunch of killers and thugs.
I would rather be labeled an idiot than a killer and thug.
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Congratulations!
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1 in 18,000

How short do you think the memory of the AO members is on this forum when it comes to police assaults and murders on civilians?

How dumb do you think the members of this AO forum are in responding to only 1 bad policeman in 18,000.

This forum is not made up by a bunch of idiots.
I think it's actually closer to 21-22,000. Just sayin...

Bet you there's a higher ratio of priests diddling little boys, or dirty lawyers screwing over clients, or dirty judges on the take, or pervy teachers, or drug dealing rig workers or husbands beating their wives, or dishonest politicians....need I go on? Why don't we have any threads about these types of people?? Is it not as cool to bash these professions/people as it is to bash the popo? I have no issues when a person does something wrong, but I do have issues when a whole entire organization or profession is slammed due to the actions of individuals.

As a police officer myself, I could slam so many different types of people based on my experiences on the job. I don't because I am able to differentiate between an individual and a group. Seems to be a rare ability these days. I have worked in 3 different postings so far in my career. I've worked with hundreds of different RCMP members and I personally know probably at least a thousand members by means of professional networking with various agencies in Canada, the US as well as in Turkey. Other than Sandboe, not one of those that I know have been involved in any criminal activity or bad media coverage...on the job or off the job...bet not many of you out there could say the same about those you know in your professions.

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I think it's actually closer to 21-22,000. Just sayin...

Bet you there's a higher ratio of priests diddling little boys, or dirty lawyers screwing over clients, or dirty judges on the take, or pervy teachers, or drug dealing rig workers or husbands beating their wives, or dishonest politicians....need I go on? Why don't we have any threads about these types of people?? Is it not as cool to bash these professions/people as it is to bash the popo? I have no issues when a person does something wrong, but I do have issues when a whole entire organization or profession is slammed due to the actions of individuals.

As a police officer myself, I could slam so many different types of people based on my experiences on the job. I don't because I am able to differentiate between an individual and a group. Seems to be a rare ability these days. I have worked in 3 different postings so far in my career. I've worked with hundreds of different RCMP members and I personally know probably at least a thousand members by means of professional networking with various agencies in Canada, the US as well as in Turkey. Other than Sandboe, not one of those that I know have been involved in any criminal activity or bad media coverage...on the job or off the job...bet not many of you out there could say the same about those you know in your professions.

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What offends me most about this case is not the punishment doled out for the assault, but rather the attempted cover-up. If this case had not been caught on camera, what are the chances that the victim would himself be up on charges of assaulting a peace officer?
You cannot blame all police for the actions of one. That said, it would be a miscarriage of justice to see this guy ever carry a badge again.
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I think it's actually closer to 21-22,000. Just sayin...

Bet you there's a higher ratio of priests diddling little boys, or dirty lawyers screwing over clients, or dirty judges on the take, or pervy teachers, or drug dealing rig workers or husbands beating their wives, or dishonest politicians....need I go on? Why don't we have any threads about these types of people?? Is it not as cool to bash these professions/people as it is to bash the popo? I have no issues when a person does something wrong, but I do have issues when a whole entire organization or profession is slammed due to the actions of individuals.

As a police officer myself, I could slam so many different types of people based on my experiences on the job. I don't because I am able to differentiate between an individual and a group. Seems to be a rare ability these days. I have worked in 3 different postings so far in my career. I've worked with hundreds of different RCMP members and I personally know probably at least a thousand members by means of professional networking with various agencies in Canada, the US as well as in Turkey. Other than Sandboe, not one of those that I know have been involved in any criminal activity or bad media coverage...on the job or off the job...bet not many of you out there could say the same about those you know in your professions.

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You know this bashing that's been going on lately of RCMP is getting old. For any 1 member who messes up, there's another 18000 Canadian members that are doing their job to keep people safe by potentially putting themselves in harms way. You can't paint the whole system with that big broad brush stroke.
Not saying that this guy should continue with the Force, just saying I'm sick of hearing about it. EVERY Profession has screw ups!! They don't hire robots they hire individuals and no one is perfect.
Here's another question.... Ever thought of how many lives this particular officer impacted in a positive way prior to this? Could be hundreds!!
I'm grateful that we are hearing about these incidents. How else will the public know their police forces are law abiding and trustworthy if the "bad apples" incidents are covered up?

A recent example of public awareness influenceing the RCMP to deal with a "bad apple" can be seen with the assault case involving Const. Geoffrey Mantler kicking Buddy Tavares. Mantler has now been charged with assault for an incident that occured 5 months prior to the Tavares assault. A third incident from 2010 is also being investigated now. Claims have been made by the alleged victims in the two earlier incidents that the RCMP was not reviewing the complaints in a timely manner.

Public knowledge of these incidents influenced the RCMP to deal with a violent thug, and I "Like" that.
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just watched the video and I have to say it's pretty disturbing,my question is why aren't the 2 other cops in the video charged with something aswell?
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