trapping near domestic animals.

[tikka250]

So i just got word that coyotes have started killing the sheep at my buddies place and as you can imagine he wants the coyotes dead yesterday. Im still a fairly new trapper and was planning on waiting for snow before i started setting anything but right now any way i can get coyotes is good.my big issue is. A. The farmers dogs like to wander and im afraid of them getting into trouble and B. With no snow around where would i make a set when i have no indication of where the coyotes are??
At the moment i have snares and maybe some foodholds. (old ones the farmer has i need to see what they are and what comdition first)

[braggadoe]

being new to trapping. hooking the farmer up with an experienced ADC k9 trapper. and following him/her around, learning as you go. would save the farmer time/money/livestock. and you would learn a bunch(proper equipment,techniques), aswell as avoiding a disaster if you catch his dog.

problem is, everyone i'm familiar with. wouldn't allow someone to "tag" along.

in the end, the farmer would be farther out front with a professional.

[tikka250]

Yea that would be awesome but sadly my scedual is so random that i doubt i could get much tagging a long. I plan on calling them and if i can find where they are coming from i can sit and wait.

[H380]

Go with the calling and ambush methods Tikka , you already have a good handle on that . No need to try and catch em in a trap as that could end very badly for the owners dog .

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by H380

Go with the calling and ambush methods Tikka , you already have a good handle on that . No need to try and catch em in a trap as that could end very badly for the owners dog .

Yep

[KegRiver]

Originally Posted by tikka250

So i just got word that coyotes have started killing the sheep at my buddies place and as you can imagine he wants the coyotes dead yesterday. Im still a fairly new trapper and was planning on waiting for snow before i started setting anything but right now any way i can get coyotes is good.my big issue is. A. The farmers dogs like to wander and im afraid of them getting into trouble and B. With no snow around where would i make a set when i have no indication of where the coyotes are??
At the moment i have snares and maybe some foodholds. (old ones the farmer has i need to see what they are and what comdition first)

Sounds like a perfect setup for calling and shooting.
I'd choose a .22 mag or a bow of some sort if it were my project.
Call em in close and then hone my archery skills, or plant a .22 pill in their little brains.

Trapping under such circumstances is just too tricky. Targeting wild dogs around domestic dogs is problematic to say the least.
Even the experienced Coyote trappers might not like the odds of that one.

You might be able to find someone with more experience then me who would take the chance, and maybe do the job without incidents but how can you know what they can or can not do? You could be inviting a wanna be to experiment at your expense. If you recommend them.

What you do is up to you, all I can tell you is what I would do if it were my project and what I would do is shoot them. I would not trust someone I did not know very well, to do such a tricky job, that could reflect on me.
I would not even attempt to trap or snare in that situation. Snow or no snow.

But then again I'm not a Coyote trapper, just a trapper, with over forty years of experience trapping.
I've trapped and snared Coyote and Wolves, but not a lot of either.
I did not focus on one animal as some do. I trapped everything available at the time at that location, except for when I trapped for the county.

There are a lot of guys and a few gals here that probably know more about Coyote trapping then I do. Maybe one of them will offer a few suggestions.

[South west trappin RG]

#3 soft catches. Not much more to say. I have a dozen that are strictly for around farm yards. The only thing it hurts is the dogs pride.

[braggadoe]

the right folks are able to trap coyotes in major urban areas with the right equipment.

it can/is being done very effectively, by the people that know what there doing.

[Marty S]

You're a caller, call them in and shoot the adults. Don't educate the adults by shooting the pups first. If you put traps out anyways and you are sure the neighbours dawg is coming, ask the neighbour to keep him at home.

Be sure you use good traps. Offset and double laminated, 3/16" on top and 1/4" under or else padded traps. If the dawgs must run at large, then you've done your part. Such traps hold humanely. Do not use stock jaw traps even if they are offset. Do not use single laminated traps if they are four coiled.

Double laminated traps are awesome! What nice steel we are using these days. All steel traps should have that wide holding surface.

Remember... We use foot traps these days.

If you catch dawg in a trap, you can send him home. Perhaps a little added negative conditioning would be in order so he doesn't come back?

[tikka250]

thanks a lot for the help guys. i needed to make a order soon anyways so i think i will try to include a couple soft catches for this exact situation next time it happens.
in the meantime i just put on my camo and am going to try to call some in as i want to get ahead of this in case its adults teaching youngsters. now the ultimate question is what rifle do i bring

[South west trappin RG]

Originally Posted by Marty S

You're a caller, call them in and shoot the adults. Don't educate the adults by shooting the pups first. If you put traps out anyways and you are sure the neighbours dawg is coming, ask the neighbour to keep him at home.

Be sure you use good traps. Offset and double laminated, 3/16" on top and 1/4" under or else padded traps. If the dawgs must run at large, then you've done your part. Such traps hold humanely. Do not use stock jaw traps even if they are offset. Do not use single laminated traps if they are four coiled.

Double laminated traps are awesome! What nice steel we are using these days. All steel traps should have that wide holding surface.

Remember... We use foot traps these days.

If you catch dawg in a trap, you can send him home. Perhaps a little added negative conditioning would be in order so he doesn't come back?

Thanks Marty, I know you don't like the victor trapp much but I have caught a couple dozen dogs in them an I feel good about letting them out. There is always a good education before the release. I have only had one second catch on the same dog an it was accually five times in two years, I guess I am not that intimidating. Marty is exactly rite on the new trap standards there is allot of area for the trap to gripp. How did the trap testing go this year?