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06-06-2014, 10:17 PM
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Black bears out in acreages
Well, they're out again wandering around the acreages and resort where my aunt lives. One boar sighted, and one sow with a cub in tow. This will be the second year for sure with this cub, if it's she's the same one as last year. There was another ? sow last year with two cubs - would she have chased the older one away already?
Next q: warden told me last year that as long as I have a signed letter from nah property owners, and legal land description, it's legal any time of year.
That being said, what to do!
It's not necessarily that the bears are a nuisance, besides the regular property destruction of bushes etc. once the berries come out in the summer, but it's a residential / resort area with kids around, and everyone is outdoors all summer. These bears aren't scared of humans - they're used to them. Bear scares are ineffective. My thoughts are that they need to go. But I would have reservations going after a cub...
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06-06-2014, 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesonepp
Well, they're out again wandering around the acreages and resort where my aunt lives. One boar sighted, and one sow with a cub in tow. This will be the second year for sure with this cub, if it's she's the same one as last year. There was another ? sow last year with two cubs - would she have chased the older one away already?
Next q: warden told me last year that as long as I have a signed letter from nah property owners, and legal land description, it's legal any time of year.
That being said, what to do!
It's not necessarily that the bears are a nuisance, besides the regular property destruction of bushes etc. once the berries come out in the summer, but it's a residential / resort area with kids around, and everyone is outdoors all summer. These bears aren't scared of humans - they're used to them. Bear scares are ineffective. My thoughts are that they need to go. But I would have reservations going after a cub...
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If these particular bears are not causing a problem, then you should consider keeping them as a friendly resident. If you kill these ones others Will move in and the new tenants might be a nightmare.
This old boar has been around for over ten years. The bear and I had a "discussion" early on and came to terms on some strict rules. He has stayed out o the garbage, never been confrontational, well, except for during the rule making meeting, and has only hogged the patio on one beautiful fall day.
"Evicting" him will mean trying our luck on the personality of a new bear.
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06-07-2014, 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
If these particular bears are not causing a problem, then you should consider keeping them as a friendly resident. If you kill these ones others Will move in and the new tenants might be a nightmare.
This old boar has been around for over ten years. The bear and I had a "discussion" early on and came to terms on some strict rules. He has stayed out o the garbage, never been confrontational, well, except for during the rule making meeting, and has only hogged the patio on one beautiful fall day.
"Evicting" him will mean trying our luck on the personality of a new bear.
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With bears, familiarity breeds contempt, something people tend to forget. You wanna wait till there's a serious incident and somebody gets hurt or killed?
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06-07-2014, 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
With bears, familiarity breeds contempt, something people tend to forget. You wanna wait till there's a serious incident and somebody gets hurt or killed?
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somewhere in between familiarity-breeding contempt and mutual respect there's a line. It's tolerance and it's a happy place. Just because you don't understand something and are not comfortable with it should not mean you have the thing euthanized or destroyed.
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06-07-2014, 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by creeky
somewhere in between familiarity-breeding contempt and mutual respect there's a line. It's tolerance and it's a happy place. Just because you don't understand something and are not comfortable with it should not mean you have the thing euthanized or destroyed.
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Tolerance and a happy Place are Human concepts, not Nature's. 
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06-07-2014, 05:16 PM
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Tolerance and a happy Place are Human concepts, not Nature's.
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tolerance is natural-and that would make you wrong. Happy?
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06-07-2014, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams
With bears, familiarity breeds contempt, something people tend to forget. You wanna wait till there's a serious incident and somebody gets hurt or killed?
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That is a fair sized bear! NO?
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06-07-2014, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by walking buffalo
If these particular bears are not causing a problem, then you should consider keeping them as a friendly resident. If you kill these ones others Will move in and the new tenants might be a nightmare.
This old boar has been around for over ten years. The bear and I had a "discussion" early on and came to terms on some strict rules. He has stayed out o the garbage, never been confrontational, well, except for during the rule making meeting, and has only hogged the patio on one beautiful fall day.
[B]"Evicting" him will mean trying our luck on the personality of a new bear.
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Once upon a time.
Hey, remember all those neat photos in the 90s with polar bears playing with tethered/chained sled dogs around Churchhill? Well one particular day some country star (let) was being shown around in a jeep and they got it stuck and some bear got uncomfortably interested and scared them all the way to you know what.  Authorities took em out and the void got filled with bears that ate chained sled dogs.
The End.
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06-07-2014, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by jamesonepp
Well, they're out again wandering around the acreages and resort where my aunt lives. One boar sighted, and one sow with a cub in tow. This will be the second year for sure with this cub, if it's she's the same one as last year. There was another ? sow last year with two cubs - would she have chased the older one away already?
Next q: warden told me last year that as long as I have a signed letter from nah property owners, and legal land description, it's legal any time of year.
That being said, what to do!
It's not necessarily that the bears are a nuisance, besides the regular property destruction of bushes etc. once the berries come out in the summer, but it's a residential / resort area with kids around, and everyone is outdoors all summer. These bears aren't scared of humans - they're used to them. Bear scares are ineffective. My thoughts are that they need to go. But I would have reservations going after a cub...
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Can't fish and wildlife come in and relocate them or something? There is no way my kids would be outside playing with a bear in view. People seem to think that Bears are not dangerous and they come to "understandings" with them. That's garbage, ask the poor woman at suncor, oh wait, you can't. If fish and wildlife would do nothing and it came to my kids playing safely I might have an accident or two with my bear spray or an uncontrollable vehicle chasing them away....
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06-07-2014, 12:36 PM
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F&W told me that they would not relocate or take care of them, unless there was a large number of complaints concerning destruction, or in the event that they attacked a human being.
Which begs the question, why does it always seem that nothing "official" will be done until something drastic happens!
WB, I agree with your sentiment about keeping them if their not necessary problem, esp. Since the next instalment of bears would be an unknown quantity, and possibly more of a nuisance than these ones. But the flip side, is that these bears' familiarity with humans is learned behaviour, and that possibly a new batch might be more easily chased away with bear scares and spray...?
I don't know much about bear behaviour though, or how territorial they are.
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06-07-2014, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by jamesonepp
Well, they're out again wandering around the acreages and resort where my aunt lives. One boar sighted, and one sow with a cub in tow. This will be the second year for sure with this cub, if it's she's the same one as last year. There was another ? sow last year with two cubs - would she have chased the older one away already?
Next q: warden told me last year that as long as I have a signed letter from nah property owners, and legal land description, it's legal any time of year.
That being said, what to do!
It's not necessarily that the bears are a nuisance, besides the regular property destruction of bushes etc. once the berries come out in the summer, but it's a residential / resort area with kids around, and everyone is outdoors all summer. These bears aren't scared of humans - they're used to them. Bear scares are ineffective. My thoughts are that they need to go. But I would have reservations going after a cub...
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how do you know that, and what kind of bear scares are you describing?
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06-07-2014, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by creeky
how do you know that, and what kind of bear scares are you describing?
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X2?
Cover a 5lb can of mace with peanut butter and leave it on the edge of whatever development your concerned about. To attract flies of course. Then post pictures of a black hairy behind running away.
Or tell me a bear finished off the peanut butter and washed it down with a litre of capsaicin like it was cool aid. 
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