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09-16-2013, 09:42 AM
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Adapting VS. Evolving
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I believe in things Adapting, EX. Wolves growing longer legs in a long period of time to help trek through deep snow. (Just a dumb example off the top of my head to get my point across)
I do not believe in things evolving. In the wolf example above the wolf did change but it is still a wolf!! I did not come from a monkey!
Just wanted some other opinions and thoughts on what other people think, Do you believe in full-on evolution or just adaptation, or neither?!
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09-16-2013, 10:03 AM
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Animals evolve in order to adapt to their surroundings better. So essentially they do both
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09-16-2013, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
This should be a good one!
I believe in things Adapting, EX. Wolves growing longer legs in a long period of time to help trek through deep snow. (Just a dumb example off the top of my head to get my point across)
I do not believe in things evolving. In the wolf example above the wolf did change but it is still a wolf!! I did not come from a monkey!
Just wanted some other opinions and thoughts on what other people think, Do you believe in full-on evolution or just adaptation, or neither?!
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Adapting is generally a conscious voluntary act...evolving is not.
You example describes evolving.
Adapting would include... for instance... wolves beginning to use snow shoes... or migrating south to escape deep snow.
So... I guess that means you believe in evolution but have adapted a argument based upon incorrect definitions of adaptation and evolution to support it.
Adaptive denial...
Next....
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09-16-2013, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger
Adapting is generally a conscious voluntary act...evolving is not.
You example describes evolving.
Adapting would include... for instance... wolves beginning to use snow shoes... or migrating south to escape deep snow.
So... I guess that means you believe in evolution but have adapted a argument based upon incorrect definitions of adaptation and evolution to support it.
Adaptive denial...
Next....
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Hahaha. Well put.
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09-16-2013, 11:12 AM
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Very good point... But are you seeing the point I am trying to get across?? I just don't see how something can evolve into another form or being...
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Originally Posted by Big Daddy Badger
Adapting is generally a conscious
voluntary act...evolving is not.
You example describes evolving.
Adapting would include... for instance... wolves beginning to use snow shoes... or migrating south to escape deep snow.
So... I guess that means you believe in evolution but have adapted a argument based upon incorrect definitions of adaptation and evolution to support it.
Adaptive denial...
Next....
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09-16-2013, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
Very good point... But are you seeing the point I am trying to get across?? I just don't see how something can evolve into another form or being...
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After many years of marriage, I can say that my wife has definitely evolved into another form of being. Ive heard there's something in wedding cake that triggers that.
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09-17-2013, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by B00MER
After many years of marriage, I can say that my wife has definitely evolved into another form of being. Ive heard there's something in wedding cake that triggers that.
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Good thing there was wedding cake at my wedding! I'll keep a close eye on the trophy wife over the next few full moons and keep you posted on her habitual and physical behaviour.
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09-16-2013, 11:37 AM
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we didn't evolve from monkeys which exist today.....we and all monkeys evolved from a common ancestor.....that's the difference. Its not like a snap of a finger and a human was born from a monkey mother.
so in areas of deep snow, obviously the wolves which happened to randomly grow longer legs (random mutations) would be more successful at surviving in this area.....they would be more likely to live to pass on their long leg genes...and after a long enough time all wolves in this area would have this similar trait.....fast forward 100s of thousands of years and this selection between isolated populations causes enough variation to create a new species.
Humans share more common genes with chimpanzees than African elephants do with Asian elephants......
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09-16-2013, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
Very good point... But are you seeing the point I am trying to get across?? I just don't see how something can evolve into another form or being...
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Educate yourself. The 'arguement' about evolution ended about 100 years ago. However, if you choose to believe otherwise, that is your choice.
As others have already identified, your suggestion that growing longer legs is an "adaptation" is incorrect; longer legs ARE an example of evolution.
Eating different available foods, becoming nocturnal to avoid predation, utilizing empty habitats, etc. are examples of "adaptation".
Changing colour of feathers or fur, changing body shape, developing the ability to digest specific foods, developing bigger eyes/ears in response to a nocturnal lifestyle are all examples of evolution.
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09-16-2013, 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
I just don't see how something can evolve into another form or being...
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Get married.
You will evolve into something your 18 year old self could have never imagined.
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09-16-2013, 01:14 PM
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Check out the YouTube video in the Never seen this before Thread. A three legged black bear walking straight up is a good example of adaptation.
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09-16-2013, 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeEm123
Check out the YouTube video in the Never seen this before Thread. A three legged black bear walking straight up is a good example of adaptation.
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That is actually how it started, got into an argument with a friend XD
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09-16-2013, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
Very good point... But are you seeing the point I am trying to get across?? I just don't see how something can evolve into another form or being...
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And yet we can witness that happening all around us in to world.
Caterpillars to moths... selective breeding in animals... cross breeding etc etc.
If one can change not just the nature but the physical characteristics of wild foxes... making them like lap dogs...in one lifetime and several generations of foxes... why is it so hard to accept that over the course of millennia... nature can influence change to the point that a species might evolve to such and extent that it no longer much resembles its ancestors?
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09-16-2013, 12:51 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
This should be a good one!
I believe in things Adapting, EX. Wolves growing longer legs in a long period of time to help trek through deep snow. (Just a dumb example off the top of my head to get my point across)
I do not believe in things evolving. In the wolf example above the wolf did change but it is still a wolf!! I did not come from a monkey!
Just wanted some other opinions and thoughts on what other people think, Do you believe in full-on evolution or just adaptation, or neither?!
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The funny thing is, its not about 'what you believe in'. Its about cold hard science. And evolution of species is proven science.
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09-16-2013, 01:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by *BigSexyHunter*
This should be a good one!
I believe in things Adapting, EX. Wolves growing longer legs in a long period of time to help trek through deep snow. (Just a dumb example off the top of my head to get my point across)
I do not believe in things evolving. In the wolf example above the wolf did change but it is still a wolf!! I did not come from a monkey!
Just wanted some other opinions and thoughts on what other people think, Do you believe in full-on evolution or just adaptation, or neither?!
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I believe in what you are saying about adapting to the environment the species live in. ie animals grow larger the further north they are. The same as your wolf comment, At the end of the day a moose is still a moose, a wolf is still a wolf. Don't think I can buy into one species turning completly into a new species, but adapting or "evolving" to their environment makes sence, even if that adapting is due to natural selection (In your example wolves with shorter legs would have died out due to deep snow perhaps leaving only ones with longer legs)
Just my opinion
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09-16-2013, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Roughneck Country
I believe in what you are saying about adapting to the environment the species live in. ie animals grow larger the further north they are. The same as your wolf comment, At the end of the day a moose is still a moose, a wolf is still a wolf. Don't think I can buy into one species turning completly into a new species, but adapting or "evolving" to their environment makes sence, even if that adapting is due to natural selection (In your example wolves with shorter legs would have died out due to deep snow perhaps leaving only ones with longer legs)
Just my opinion
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This is exactly the point I was trying to get across. Thank you for explaining it better
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