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Old 03-14-2016, 03:49 PM
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Default Just came home from Trump's Tampa rally

Well, I just got a taste of "The Donald".

I found out last night that Trump would have a rally in Tampa, and I figured it would be interesting to go and see for myself, unfiltered, the attraction.

Some of it was as I expected, other was how contrived and ungenuine it was. There were warm up acts, rock and blues music, and then introductions by Sarah Palin (what a vapid individual she is) and Chris Christie, who I always had thought fairly well of. I could not understand his endorsement of Trump, until he dropped the hint, subtle, but it was there, that Trump would appoint him as the Attorney General for the US. Now it made sense to me; I could not see much else the two had in common. For the record, Christie used to be the AG for New Jersey, a fact he spent some time discussing. The third politico on stage was the current AG for Florida, who "always listened to her mom, and her mom was for Trump".

What surprised me most was the small crowd. It was held in the Tampa Convention center, so I took a bus as Franklin St. was shut down, and I know parking could be tough in the area. I expected many thousands; I doubt that there were more than 1,500 people there total. It seemed that some were there out of curiosity, like myself, but most were pretty strong Trump supporters, to no surprise. Security was pretty tight, with both uniformed police and what my guess was Secret Service agents in large numbers. All those CCW permits in Florida? You were not allowed in if you were carrying.

It was a very, very white crowd. A few blacks, and I didn't see one Hispanic except for convention center staff in the building. Tampa has a large, large Hispanic community, so all that bluster about how much support Hispanics were giving Trump certainly was not reflected in that crowd.

Trump was his normal self; bluster and no details of his platform. He discussed the wall between Mexico and the US, the Second Amendment, Free Trade and how he would kill all the deals, and how he would make the Armed Forces larger. Oh, and China. Not once did he say how he would do all these things, not once did he discuss international agreements and how he break them, and his answer to American companies that would move their manufacturing to Mexico (he gave Carrier as an example), was that he would phone the company's president, and tell him change your mind, or I will tax your imports with a 35% import tax.

Never mind that would be illegal, but what the hey, it's Trump and bluster.

Over all I came away feeling a bit dirty for going, confirming that I just can't understand why people can't see through his schtick. He is a disingenuous as they come, feeding fears and perceived fears of aging, white Americans who somehow feel their country is not what it was. Guess what? They are right. Taking it back to the 1950's won't make it great though. Things change, and the real winners understand that and help make the change, even with missteps, rather than just look back.

Trump looks back, or at least plays on the fears of those that do. Everything he said was playing on that.

He may likely win the Republican nomination. We might as well get used to the first First Husband in the White House in that case, because Hillary will clean his clock in the general election. I truly am surprised that more do not see through his facade. The Republican party had real candidates (still has some) in the race, but, even though they were the grown ups in the room, primary voters wanted raw meat, and Trump sensed that and was and is giving it to them. He even pointed out that when his wife Melania and daughter Ivanka suggested to him to "be more presidential", that, talking to the crowd, he said, "I'm not going to do that, because you guys wouldn't like that, would you?". It got one of the bigger cheers... his supporters love the raw meat.

Many of my neighbors here have been Republicans all their lives, and they are worried about a Trump candidacy destroying their party. Many of them are not sure if they would vote in a general election with Trump as the nominee, and some have even said rather than have their party destroyed, they would put up with 4 years of Hillary, and wait for the next time. The general consensus appears to be that Republicans will control the House and Senate, although some have expressed concern that a Trump nomination could cost some Republican seats in some parts of the country.

At any rate, thought some of you might be interested. Sorry for the pics, one never knew when signs would be waved.



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Old 03-14-2016, 03:56 PM
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That sounds great! Im happy to hear one of us was down there to suport him! Good on ya AVB3, with any luck we can attract similar people to office.
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:31 PM
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That sounds great! Im happy to hear one of us was down there to suport him! Good on ya AVB3, with any luck we can attract similar people to office.
Or do you really like him?

If you like him, I'm curious as to why..?
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:35 PM
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Or do you really like him?

If you like him, I'm curious as to why..?
Couple of reasons.
Sheer entertainment is the first one, I mean come on he says some really ridiculous stuff. The second is that I want to see a businessman run a country. The people that we have to choose from are lacking the tools to produce.
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:41 PM
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Couple of reasons.
Sheer entertainment is the first one, I mean come on he says some really ridiculous stuff. The second is that I want to see a businessman run a country. The people that we have to choose from are lacking the tools to produce.
He's got the entertainer angle down... That's for sure.

Dosen't his business track record kindof suck..?
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:53 PM
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This video tells most of what you need to know about trump:

https://youtu.be/DnpO_RTSNmQ

If you want to learn more without the laughs try this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HU5EIIp9dko
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:59 PM
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He's got the entertainer angle down... That's for sure.

Dosen't his business track record kindof suck..?
Forbes figures he is worth 4.5 billion. He got there somehow.
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Old 03-14-2016, 05:56 PM
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That sounds great! Im happy to hear one of us was down there to suport him! Good on ya AVB3, with any luck we can attract similar people to office.
Uh yeah... that's exactly what the OP posted. LOL
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That sounds great! Im happy to hear one of us was down there to suport him! Good on ya AVB3, with any luck we can attract similar people to office.
The king of North America...rocking at the rally.

Would have been neat to see how things are viewed first hand.
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:00 PM
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Thanks for the informative post.

It's pretty much what I expected a Trump rally to be like. Sarah the Vape sounds like she's getting a lot worse.

1500 seems like a pretty good crowd for a rally.

I've read some reports that Little Marco is lucky to draw 300 - and Florida is his home turf.
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:18 PM
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I've read some reports that Little Marco is lucky to draw 300 - and Florida is his home turf.
I'd read similar.

http://www.bustle.com/articles/14700...s-the-upcoming
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Old 03-14-2016, 04:38 PM
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Good on you for dropping in.

I really wonder what must be going through Rick Scotts mind when this crew comes through his state, raising the rhetoric, and leaving a trail of trash.

I've done some research on Chris Christie, and he did state that he was 'convinced' of an appointment, which is a bit different than having it forthcoming. I feel a bit sorry for him in a sad kind of way, because he desperately needs something, because going home to his constituency will likely lead to a hanging.

My initial disgust of trump has given way to looking closer at his proposals. Some of them make perfect sense. I think he needs to apprentice in politics though, before he's handed a major role.
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avb said....same old, same old
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..... nothing of consequence....
Apparently you were trying to get some point across; you missed.
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Old 03-16-2016, 05:21 PM
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Trump might not be a good President.....but he sure as hell is being a great messenger.

Can you guys read between the lines on what he is saying?

Look at everyone who is trying to take him down and the common link they have.
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Apparently you were trying to get some point across; you missed.
The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

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The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

Do you know how much the US spends on its military? Sanders supports reducing military spending to provide universal healthcare. When your already spending 15000 on medical insurance your taxes going up slightly to pay for it actually saves you money. Once you realize this isn't about left vs right, or Latino vs white or muslim vs Christian. This is about social morality and where you stand in regards to your morals. If you think it's fine that a baby dies from an easily curable cause because the parents can't afford the procedure then thats up to you. For me it's not even a question that it shouldn't happen in a first world country.

Im not sure where you and others got your views but Id bet from the NCC. The NCC here in Canada would like you to think that universal healthcare doesn't work, that it's to expensive, etc... all so they can bring in private medical insurance and make billions in profits. Don't listen to the private insurance pigs who have no conscience and just want your money. If you're in the average family tax bracket between 50-100k you'll spend the same on taxes as you would spend on medical insurance in the states.

Edit: Worth reading in regards to Bernie economic plan. Http://www.businessinsider.com/asher...sanders-2016-3

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This is about social morality
BS, and only someone that’s clueless will be clapping like a trained seal and cheering their heroes budget deficit of 30 billion dollars next week.
Oh wait, I forgot….. its Harpers fault.
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Old 03-17-2016, 11:24 AM
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The fact that you replied tell's me I hit a bulls eye

No, I was being polite, and have no idea what salient and cogent perspective your trying to get across.

Still don't.
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