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Old 06-05-2014, 06:03 PM
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Default 'It is clear that Canada's excessive firearms control system has failed again.'- Canada's National Firearms Association

A national gun group attacked Canada’s firearms laws in the wake of the deadly shooting in Moncton N.B., calling them excessive and unable to stop “bad people from carrying out their evil deeds.”

Canada’s National Firearms Association released its public statement on Thursday, one day after three Mounties were shot and killed and two more were wounded. The NFA expressed its condolences to the families and friends of those killed, and criticized the alleged shooter, 24-year-old Justin Bourque.

“The NFA deplores the terrible actions by a clearly deranged individual that led to these deaths and injuries,” the group said.

“Incidents like these demonstrate the validity of the mounting evidence that none of Canada's firearms control efforts over the past 50 years have had any effect on preventing violence, or otherwise stopping bad people from carrying out their evil deeds,” the statement said.

It remains unclear what firearms and ammunition Bourque may have used in the attack. Images show Bourque, dressed in camouflage clothing, carrying at least two long guns.

Based on posts on what appears to be his Facebook page, Bourque promoted the use of guns and often shared images with slogans including “Free Men Do Not Ask Permission to Bear Arms.”

The NFA did not focus on Bourque or his background.

“It is clear that Canada's excessive firearms control system has failed again,” the NFA statement said.

The gun group says money spent on gun control would be better used in the health care system.

Meanwhile, Worlds End Warehouse, a gun store in Moncton, put out a statement on Facebook, expressing its condolences and distancing itself from the alleged shooter.

“To prevent pointless media speculation we can confirm that the suspect in this case whilst known personally by employees of our store, was never a customer and never purchased firearms or ammunition from us,” reads the statement.

“We wish the RCMP the best in apprehending the suspect as soon as possible.”

The shop says it promotes the use of firearms for recreational hunting, target shooting and law enforcement.
http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2666548

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Old 06-05-2014, 06:11 PM
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Old 06-05-2014, 06:27 PM
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They are right, not so sure on the timing though. Our last mass murder wasn't commited with firearms, but mental illness was definitely a part of it, too.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:24 PM
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They are right, not so sure on the timing though. Our last mass murder wasn't commited with firearms, but mental illness was definitely a part of it, too.
HB:

That is a good point.

The NFA suddenly became proactive instead of reactive waiting to be vilified by the liberal media.

The RCMP will not like that. Any action by them using Bill 68 to punish law abiding gun owners in the future will come under political scrutiny if they use this case.

Let us sit back and watch. The media surely is. This cop killer might already be in Vermont.

If the RCMP fail, I hope they don't pull out another Cheeseman to kick around.

I like the proactive approach by the NFA.
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Old 06-05-2014, 08:50 PM
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Not the time to be making political statements. This one could come back to bite us in the ass, cause of the weapon he was using.

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Old 06-05-2014, 09:08 PM
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Not the time to be making political statements. This one could come back to bite us in the ass, cause of the weapon he was using.

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Watching the news today, the anti gun groups, some politicians, and the media, have already turned this into a political opportunity. Some people, were already using this situation as an excuse to call for more firearms restrictions, and the return of the long gun registry.
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Old 06-05-2014, 11:25 PM
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HB:

That is a good point.

The NFA suddenly became proactive instead of reactive waiting to be vilified by the liberal media.

The RCMP will not like that. Any action by them using Bill 68 to punish law abiding gun owners in the future will come under political scrutiny if they use this case.

Let us sit back and watch. The media surely is. This cop killer might already be in Vermont.

If the RCMP fail, I hope they don't pull out another Cheeseman to kick around.

I like the proactive approach by the NFA.
Agree 100%
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Old 06-06-2014, 09:30 AM
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i dont buy it
I dont buy it either...
Just as I do not buy that Calgary is a hotbed for jihadists.
There will always be someone justifying their agenda.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:10 AM
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Give your heads a ! The NFA opened their statement with condolences. I have no problem with the NFA's timing. It was perfect. As firearms owners our backs are up against the wall - WE'RE GOING TO TAKE ANOTHER BEATING - and when your backs up against the wall only thing you can do is come out swinging and try to make some space for yourself. It's better to be proactive and frame the battle/debate, rather than sit back and have to respond on the defensive. You then keep control of where you want to go. The media were all over the gun issue with the breaking news of the shootings. The NFA just confirmed their position that gun control Will not prevent these types of tragedies from happening. People bitch that the NFA isn't proactive enough and now that they are proactive people bitch that they're too quick to respond? Give me a break.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:41 AM
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I don't recall these crazy things when I was growing up. And I had play guns on me lots, so did most others. We watched John Wayne & it didn't cause any of us to go on a shooting spree. What has changed? The guns were there then and are now.
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Old 06-06-2014, 12:07 PM
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I am disappointed that the OP chose to quote the CBC report rather than the actual press release from the NFA.
https://nfa.ca/news/canadas-national...se-june-5-2014
I do not know if the subsequent commentators searched out and read the actual NFA press release or are commenting on the CBC filtered report of the actual statement.

IMHO we should all have our facts straight before forming conclusions based on any media misinformation or filtered report.

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If the NFA was approached for a comment (and I got the sense they hadn't yet)
While it seems this is a comment based on the CBC report and not on the actual NFA release,
https://nfa.ca/news/canadas-national...se-june-5-2014
I agree that timing is critical in these matters and that the NFA should have confined their comment as GH suggests.

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it (NFA) should have responded that
it's wrong to have that sort of discussion at this time.
Media focus should be on tracking-down the perpetrator, and
our thoughts are with the families, friends, and colleagues of the fallen officers.

The "best defense is a good offense" idea doesn't apply when the situation is still unfolding. Maybe not at all where there is a loss of life. Regardless, the comment's timing struck me as being VERY "off".
Now is the time for us all to unite in our shared sorrow and outrage at this senseless act, and not to use it for political advantage, The gun ban crowd will be excused as speaking from grief and emotion, but from us it will be perceived as improper and disrespectful.

There will be plenty of time for debate when our emotions have recovered and logical discussion is possible.
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Old 06-11-2014, 01:45 PM
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I don't recall these crazy things when I was growing up. And I had play guns on me lots, so did most others. We watched John Wayne & it didn't cause any of us to go on a shooting spree. What has changed? The guns were there then and are now.
Lots has changed, what exactly causes people to do this sort of thing I'm not the expert but what ever changed it's to difficult to fix now so rifearms owners are the target of the fix. Which we all know really doesn't fix anything.
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Old 06-09-2014, 09:25 PM
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I think this would've happened no matter what, there will always be nut jobs out there
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