Trolling setup for big Dipsey Divers - Cold lake

[Koleswrath]

Howdy fellas, I know there's some expert knowledge and experience here regarding trolling rod setups so I want to pick your combined brains.

The kid and I are getting ready for some week long trips to Cold lake with the new boat and we'd like a nice setup for running dipsey's. We've been using a gigantic Penn combo that we got on a big discount last year at the fishing hole but there's no line counter and it's ridiculously large, the drag doesn't adjust very nicely, etc.

I don't think I'm going to mess with downriggers quite yet but I'd assume a reel for dipsey's would also be ideal for downriggers (just a rod change perhaps).

For reels I've been looking at Okuma Coldwaters and Daiwa Lexa's (a little expensive but if they're worth it I'll bite). I'm hesitant on the Coldwaters as I've seen some comments that Dipsey's are hard on them.
Am I in the right neighborhood with these? Is there a sweet spot for size? I've been looking at the 300 series' but I found a great deal on a 400 Lexa.

I'm not quite sure where to start on rods but I've heard the Shimano Talora mentioned with some good comments. Open to any other suggestions.

Also, is the Lund track strong enough to mount my rod holder on for trolling with the big Dipsy Divers? We definitely couldn't use the rod holders on the old inflatable and kid had to use his leg to brace the rod when holding it...lol.

As always many thanks for helping with my novice questions!
Greg

[-JR-]

Sorry I can not help you with dipsey divers , I always wondered about them if you can set to the the dept you really want them at . And how would you now as they would be so far behind the boat your sonar would not pick them up .
I guess a line counter would be needed to do the same thing, every time you reset . They must have a chart how deep it goes when you have so much line out at a given speed .

[thorne]

I'm sure your dipsy diving experiments and research are great fun and what not...just curious what your adversity to down riggers is? They are fairly cheap for a manual scotty, have counters built in so you can use pretty much any rod with them, simple to use and pretty fool proof. Just get fish on your sonar, or observe the thermocline, drop down to that depth, reel in the slack line, troll, pull in laker, rince and repeat! It's "Almost" to easy...lol...plus you can mount 1 on each side of the boat and turn on a dime without getting tangled because the lines are directly beneath you and just 10-15 feet behind the boat.

[stob]

For dipsey divers we always used a 3' for strip for 2' of depth for the big DD's... to 60' it worked for us...idk about going deeper but I would try a 4' strip for 2' of depth after that

[EZM]

You came to the right place to ask these questions .....

We have had the best luck running the dipsy 4'-5' ahead of a spoon. Naked. Seems to produce constantly for us. Spoons will vary day to day but some to try are five of diamonds, a Williams wobbler in silver/gold and the good old red devil (in a standard size like No2)

The "chart" will tell you what to let out on your line counter and the big dipsy goes down surprising accurate when compared the the chart (100 out is roughly 40 down).

I run these right off my Lund's standard rod holders which are in the track. No problem there. Yeah it pulls hard but there is no risk of damaging it or anything like that ..... it's fine ..... just gotta grip it hard if you need to pull it out while you are still moving forward and not tripped. My wife has a bit of a struggle with it, but for an average guy, it's no big deal.

I also run the Okuma cold water reels. Absolutely rock solid, great drag, excellent reels. Probably the best bang for your buck at that price point ( I also have Shimanos and ABU's) so it's a fair comparison. Love them, bought 2 more Cold Waters last year.

Here's the Okuma cold water in action, on the Lund track with a standard rod holder at Cold Lake (so we hit all your questions !!!!) .... The below picture is on the downrigger here, but you get the idea ..... it works, no problem. I like to have the rod loaded and do prefer downriggers, but sometimes to test an area for the bite (or where the depth goes up fast and drops) it's quick/easy to pull in or deploy more line with a dipsy (especially If I'm on the steering wheel) - so I'm on a dipsy probably 30% of the time.

[Koleswrath]

Originally Posted by EZM

You came to the right place to ask these questions .....

We have had the best luck running the dipsy 4'-5' ahead of a spoon. Naked. Seems to produce constantly for us. Spoons will vary day to day but some to try are five of diamonds, a Williams wobbler in silver/gold and the good old red devil (in a standard size like No2)

The "chart" will tell you what to let out on your line counter and the big dipsy goes down surprising accurate when compared the the chart (100 out is roughly 40 down).

I run these right off my Lund's standard rod holders which are in the track. No problem there. Yeah it pulls hard but there is no risk of damaging it or anything like that ..... it's fine ..... just gotta grip it hard if you need to pull it out while you are still moving forward and not tripped. My wife has a bit of a struggle with it, but for an average guy, it's no big deal.

I also run the Okuma cold water reels. Absolutely rock solid, great drag, excellent reels. Probably the best bang for your buck at that price point ( I also have Shimanos and ABU's) so it's a fair comparison. Love them, bought 2 more Cold Waters last year.

Here's the Okuma cold water in action, on the Lund track with a standard rod holder at Cold Lake (so we hit all your questions !!!!) .... The below picture is on the downrigger here, but you get the idea ..... it works, no problem. I like to have the rod loaded and do prefer downriggers, but sometimes to test an area for the bite (or where the depth goes up fast and drops) it's quick/easy to pull in or deploy more line with a dipsy (especially If I'm on the steering wheel) - so I'm on a dipsy probably 30% of the time.

Thanks, very helpful as always! We run the divers roughly the same but usually use those Apex trolling lures that open up and let you stuff a minnow in there.
Do you prefer the downrigger?

[Koleswrath]

Originally Posted by thorne

I'm sure your dipsy diving experiments and research are great fun and what not...just curious what your adversity to down riggers is? They are fairly cheap for a manual scotty, have counters built in so you can use pretty much any rod with them, simple to use and pretty fool proof. Just get fish on your sonar, or observe the thermocline, drop down to that depth, reel in the slack line, troll, pull in laker, rince and repeat! It's "Almost" to easy...lol...plus you can mount 1 on each side of the boat and turn on a dime without getting tangled because the lines are directly beneath you and just 10-15 feet behind the boat.

Good point. I guess we’ve been having good luck with the dipsy’s and the unknown is scary 🫣. Maybe I’ll watch some vids on people using them.

[EZM]

Originally Posted by thorne

I'm sure your dipsy diving experiments and research are great fun and what not...just curious what your adversity to down riggers is? They are fairly cheap for a manual scotty, have counters built in so you can use pretty much any rod with them, simple to use and pretty fool proof. Just get fish on your sonar, or observe the thermocline, drop down to that depth, reel in the slack line, troll, pull in laker, rince and repeat! It's "Almost" to easy...lol...plus you can mount 1 on each side of the boat and turn on a dime without getting tangled because the lines are directly beneath you and just 10-15 feet behind the boat.

I bought electrics after running manuals for many years - there were literally many many days on cold lake where the lakers where biting so well, I was sweating my butt off winding that manual downrigger !!!!! like a circus some days ..... but what a blast !!!

[Koleswrath]

Originally Posted by -JR-

Sorry I can not help you with dipsey divers , I always wondered about them if you can set to the the dept you really want them at . And how would you now as they would be so far behind the boat your sonar would not pick them up .
I guess a line counter would be needed to do the same thing, every time you reset . They must have a chart how deep it goes when you have so much line out at a given speed .

Yep, the chart tells you how deep they dive at certain lengths of line out. Thats why I’d like a rock solid line counter.

[58thecat]

I constantly now run the deep six #2.
Attached directly to that is a lucky strike gang troll and off of that 3-4 feet behind a apex trolling lure in a few colours such as brown trout, rainbow trout, and my favourite water Mellon.
Generally in the 4 inch size and keeping my speed at about 2mph mark.
This will get you down to about 80 fow deep depending on amount of line out.
Rod/reel combo is 7 foot ugly stick medium action spooled with 20lbs braid.
Real easy outfit to use and get on lakers all day long.




The watermelon color gets chewed up real quick!
If the situation is good to drop down and jig then be prepared to get sore arms too!
Good luck.


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[Koleswrath]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

I constantly now run the deep six #2.
Attached directly to that is a lucky strike gang troll and off of that 3-4 feet behind a apex trolling lure in a few colours such as brown trout, rainbow trout, and my favourite water Mellon.
Generally in the 4 inch size and keeping my speed at about 2mph mark.
This will get you down to about 80 fow deep depending on amount of line out.
Rod/reel combo is 7 foot ugly stick medium action spooled with 20lbs braid.
Real easy outfit to use and get on lakers all day long.




The watermelon color gets chewed up real quick!
If the situation is good to drop down and jig then be prepared to get sore arms too!
Good luck.


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Awesome to see, how do you count the line out?

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by Koleswrath

Awesome to see, how do you count the line out?

So what I did to get a ball park feel was watch the spool for amount
Of line out until I would touch bottom coming in from 100 fow to 50 fow and when I started to touch bottom. Adjust from there.
So many times later in the season I troll in deeper water and catch suspended fish or ones that would zip up to the spinning blades thinking they were bait fish and pick off the apex trolling lure not far behind.

It’s simple but very productive.


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[HL_transplant]

Line counters are a must. Lexas and Tekotas are ideal. No guessing can repeat results.

[Koleswrath]

Thanks all, appreciate the info! Lots to consider.

[58thecat]

A week of rain and wind then this right now.
Awesome!
6hr envelope then back to crap gotta make the most of it.

Good luck on your new set up and let us know how you made out.


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[Koleswrath]

I envy you, I'd take a picture of my surroundings but it would just depress everyone.

[alpineguy]

I have a question for those running Deep 6 and Dipsey divers........why not Pink ladies? They can be reset in the water and you don't have to mess with the release mechanism to get the right release pressure.

Thanks in advance

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by alpineguy

I have a question for those running Deep 6 and Dipsey divers........why not Pink ladies? They can be reset in the water and you don't have to mess with the release mechanism to get the right release pressure.

Thanks in advance

I ran pink ladies for many years just found that once it gets hit or lure gets a snag etc setting the pink lady goes to what I call neutral to reel in easily.
Now some can reset easily by going slack then it sets itself in theory and generally speaking I like to check things after a strike or snag to ensure the gear is good to go.
I changed to the deep six number two to get down to about 70fow or less depending on amount of line out and trolling speed. Play with the tension to get the locking mechanism dialled in and you’re good to go.
I also got the dipsy diver which I like too as you can set them up to be behind the boat but off to the side more.
90 percent of the time I run the deep six but will change it up to adjust to depth and species targeted.
Can’t hurt to have a few alternatives in the boat at all times.
Yesterday the lakers were very selective on what they wanted and after many kilometres covered I settled on apex trolling lure 4” slow troll in brown trout color which was the ticket trolled behind a willow leaf and deep six #2.
Found suspended bait balls in 130 fow and just trolled in and around them picking off lakers some that I marked and some not.



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[EZM]

Originally Posted by alpineguy

I have a question for those running Deep 6 and Dipsey divers........why not Pink ladies? They can be reset in the water and you don't have to mess with the release mechanism to get the right release pressure.

Thanks in advance

I think 58 nailed the biggest reason ..... if you have 3 guys in boat and no downrigger, you can use a dipsy dailed hard left, one dialed neutral (straight down) and the third dialed hard right and you won't tangle up ..... and, the trip releases are not really that big of a deal - if you are dragging a flasher (or dodger) and/or cow bells/willow leafs and then a lure - you are going to want to make sure after a bump or bite it's still untangled and running right anyways - so you should pull in that line and check anyways.

It seems like 100% of the times you say "it's probably fine and not tangled" is when you notice that rod is dead and when you do pull it up it's all messed up.

So anytime a line isn't producing, trip it and check it. No such thing as as resetting it without pulling it up to check it in my mind .... nothing like dragging a tangled mess around the lake for an hour not knowing.

[alpineguy]

Thanks for the input.
We rarely have more than 2 in a boat so not too concerned about tangling. As for checking line and resetting after a bump I do that regularly. I guess I wasn't that clear but I can reset my PL in the water beside the boat and still see my lure to make sure nothing is tangled. Not a lot easier than bringing it into the boat as has to be done with the D 6 and Dipsey D but it is quicker.
Interested in the depth that can be reached though. It seems about the deepest I can get with a PL is 40'......do the others go deeper?
I have a couple D 6 but never liked using them but might have to try again if there was some advantage.

[58thecat]

The deep 6 number two with 100 feet of 20lbs braid line out at 2mph ish trolling speed will get you down to 70fow.

Works great for us.


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