The Canadian Dream is Dead.

[Bigwoodsman]

A great read, written by Gen Rick Hillier. We are truly in a sad state affairs. Can this ever be turned around? Can we ever have the greatness back?

https://edmontonsun.com/opinion/gen-...canadian-dream

BW

[traderal]

Socks has made sure that we will never recover by giving away a trillion in printed money, and he hasn't finished yet. The US and other counties are in in a similar position with similar agendas. Expect tremendous unrest in the years to come. The elite are building bunkers for themselves with the money they "acquired" from our treasuries. They know very well what is coming. Someday the useful idiots that voted them in will wake up but too late.

[Sooner]

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

[Irina]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

Did everyone in government take the April 1st raise or just the liberals?

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

It’s going to be a tough road for more than two terms and we still need to see what PP actually does once in the driver seat. Right now he has a lot of ideas that sound good but execution is everything

Really what we need is major changes in Canadian politics that add some accountability. The way things are presently it’s way too easy to abuse political power and no consequences when caught

[Drewski Canuck]

[QUOTE=Smoky buck;4716078]I

"Right now he has a lot of ideas that sound good but execution is everything"

Actually, to end the Canadian Nightmare, execution after election is nothing.

The "a lot of ideas that sound good' are ELECTION PROMISES.

PP can say whatever he wants, and make promises up that will never follow through. This failure to Campaign like a Liberal is what keeps knocking the Conservatives down over and over.

Creepy Cretien promised to eliminate the GST for two election campaigns, AND IT WORKED. On the third time, he was flabbergasted that the Voters suddenly did not believe him???

If the Conservatives cannot understand that the only goal is to get a majority, and then implement the necessary changes after the fact, then history will repeat itself yet again.

Harper's biggest mistake was to get on the stage ALONE, WITH NO CUTE KIDS when Trudeau was standing there with his good looking wife and model children. The optics for the average voter are everything as they really only understand a paycheck every second Friday and a Hockey Game on winter weekends.

Drewski

[thumper]

With any luck, Trudeau will get back in, and keep doing what he’s been doing!

Then, Alberta will have no choice but to separate, and then we’re free to make our own destiny!

[Smoky buck]

[QUOTE=Drewski Canuck;4716090]

Originally Posted by Smoky buck

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"Right now he has a lot of ideas that sound good but execution is everything"

Actually, to end the Canadian Nightmare, execution after election is nothing.

The "a lot of ideas that sound good' are ELECTION PROMISES.

PP can say whatever he wants, and make promises up that will never follow through. This failure to Campaign like a Liberal is what keeps knocking the Conservatives down over and over.

Creepy Cretien promised to eliminate the GST for two election campaigns, AND IT WORKED. On the third time, he was flabbergasted that the Voters suddenly did not believe him???

If the Conservatives cannot understand that the only goal is to get a majority, and then implement the necessary changes after the fact, then history will repeat itself yet again.

Harper's biggest mistake was to get on the stage ALONE, WITH NO CUTE KIDS when Trudeau was standing there with his good looking wife and model children. The optics for the average voter are everything as they really only understand a paycheck every second Friday and a Hockey Game on winter weekends.

Drewski

You are focusing too much on red or blue which have very little to do with my post. The point of my post is that with our present system there is a lack of accountability for when any political party abuses their power. All parties make false promises to get elected and make little attempt to follow through

Because of this as good as PP talks a good game we don’t know if he is actually go to do as he says. This goes for all politicians not just PP

Canadas political system needs an overhaul to remove the corruption and this is not a party related statement.

[Pathfinder76]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

Dream on

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

Might get turned around in 2 terms but it will be a long way to go to get that ship where it needs to be.

[gunluvr]

Originally Posted by Sooner

I think if PP can get a solid majority so he can do what's needed to turn the ship around(most likely need 2 terms), he will also re instill some Canadian pride along the way. My worry is because he has to be the bad guy and make cuts, the woke lefties will never allow him 2 terms.

Historians will look back on El Turdo's rein as one of the worst Pm's ever. What a pivotal upcoming election we will have.

The continuous cycles of liberal overspending, then conservative frugality to correct it is exactly what liberals count on to be eventually voted back into power. No matter how badly liberals run the country and put us all deeply in debt, they can count on the necessary measures to fix their mistakes to be unpopular.
There is some optimism in knowing that the current liberal regime is the most corrupt and ruiness in history and that may not be forgotten as quickly as in the past.

[HVA7mm]

Originally Posted by gunluvr

The continuous cycles of liberal overspending, then conservative frugality to correct it is exactly what liberals count on to be eventually voted back into power. No matter how badly liberals run the country and put us all deeply in debt, they can count on the necessary measures to fix their mistakes to be unpopular.
There is some optimism in knowing that the current liberal regime is the most corrupt and ruiness in history and that may not be forgotten as quickly as in the past.

The current Liberal's only election strategy was promising an abundance of free money for doing nothing, to legislate zero accountability for your actions, enabling rampant illegal drug use and catering to every single vocal minority imaginable. The fact that this was enough to win three elections still boggles my mind, never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

Sometimes the Liberal's policies become asinine enough to start costing even the stupidest of voters so much money that they can't afford as many Teslas, soy lattes, man-purses or Defund the Police t-shirts. Then they lean slightly to the right hoping for a slightly better fiscal policy (and it's usually very slight, this is the federal government after all). After a couple of years of a slightly more conservative policy, something will trigger them and maybe cause a tear to fall, and their memory is completely erased. This in turn causes them to again vote for more free stuff/drugs/wokeness, less personal accountability, and maybe even a complimentary Liberal issued tissue to wipe away the tear.

Let's face it, all Liberal voters forget and do not learn from history. The name Trudeau alone should have rang enough alarm bells to prevent our absolutely brain dead man-child of a PM from becoming PM. But again, here we are.

[badbrass]

Isn't that the truth!

Originally Posted by HVA7mm

The current Liberal's only election strategy was promising an abundance of free money for doing nothing, to legislate zero accountability for your actions, enabling rampant illegal drug use and catering to every single vocal minority imaginable. The fact that this was enough to win three elections still boggles my mind, never underestimate the stupidity of the average voter.

Sometimes the Liberal's policies become asinine enough and starts costing even the stupidest of voters so much money that they can't afford as many Teslas, soy lattes, man-purses or Defund the Police t-shirts. Then they lean slightly to the right hoping for a slightly better fiscal policy (and it's usually very slight, this is the federal government after all). Then after a couple of years of a slightly more conservative policy, something will trigger them and maybe cause a tear to fall, and their memory is completely erased, causing them to again vote for more free stuff/drugs/wokeness/tissue paper for their tear.

[Drewski Canuck]

Yes, the Canadian Dream is dead, as is the US Dream.

Funny thing is that the European Dream is alive and well. It is based on so called "Social Democracy" where you never own a house, never really work, and you do as little as you can because the Government just takes what you make anyway, while pointing out that you are not any of the "Special Letters" so favoured by their Society (LGBTTTQQIAA) and re enforced by their Government.

The missing part is that Nightmares are a type of Dream. With that realization, the Canadian and American Nightmare, is doing just fine!!!

John D. Rockafeller Jr, had a creed that nowadays will get you called a Racist, a Colonist, and any other smear label that the Socialists can dream up. At risk of being burned as a heretic in our ever correct Country, here it goes:

I believe in the supreme worth of the individual and in his right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

I believe that every right implies a responsibility; every opportunity, an obligation; every possession, a duty.

I believe that the law was made for man and not man for the law; that government is the servant of the people and not their master.

I believe in the dignity of labor, whether with head or hand; that the world owes no man a living but that it owes every man an opportunity to make a living.

I believe that thrift is essential to well ordered living and that economy is a prime requisite of a sound financial structure, whether in government, business or personal affairs.

I believe that truth and justice are fundamental to an enduring social order.

I believe in the sacredness of a promise, that a man’s word should be as good as his bond; that character—not wealth or power or position—is of supreme worth.

I believe that the rendering of useful service is the common duty of mankind and that only in the purifying fire of sacrifice is the dross of selfishness consumed and the greatness of the human soul set free.

I believe in an all-wise and all-loving God, named by whatever name, and that the individual’s highest fulfillment, greatest happiness, and widest usefulness are to be found in living in harmony with His will.

I believe that love is the greatest thing in the world; that it alone can overcome hate; that right can and will triumph over might.

Drewski

[58thecat]

No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.

New guberment new dreams


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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.
New guberment new dreams
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Enough of the rose colored glasses nonsense, no we aren’t at war, but look at how far Canada has fallen in the last ten years.The debt has grown so large, and the damage to our laws and values is so extensive, that Canada will likely never recover. A new government can stop the decline, but it will take decades to make even a partial recovery from the damage done in the past ten years.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Enough of the rose colored glasses nonsense, no we aren’t at war, but look at how far Canada has fallen in the last ten years.The debt has grown so large, and the damage to our laws and values is so extensive, that Canada will likely never recover. A new government can stop the decline, but it will take decades to make even a partial recovery from the damage done in the past ten years.

Enough, period, yup!

Even your glasses can cause a headache when worn but over time some may get use to it….not all thankfully.




Canada has been here before and persevered.




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[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

Enough, period, yup!

Even your glasses can cause a headache when worn but over time some may get use to it….not all thankfully.




Canada has been here before and persevere

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When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.

[Irina]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.

Bingo

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

When has our national debt ever been this high? How many PMs have ever been found guilty of ethics violations? When have we had legislation passed limiting the freedom of speech? When has the Federal government ever used the Emergencies act and seized the bank accounts of peaceful protestors? The answer to all of those questions is never, Canada has never been here.

Just want to add, when has our Military been in such poor shape and unable to defend Canada. When has there been such division in this country. (All though Trudeau, seems to have united most of the country against him.)
When has the country driven out foreign investment?

BW

[gman1978]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

No the dream ain’t dead unless you live here and have seen nothing more than a price increase etc

Sure would like to have some here sit with a Ukrainian family etc that are totally appreciative of what we have.

Ohhh well we will get over this crap and move on as usual.

New guberment new dreams


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I have had the privilege of sitting down with family that came to Canada to escape communism and other horrors. Their advice was do not give up one inch of freedom. That’s how it starts. Apathy will slowly destroy the country. Maybe people have woke up but as long as they have their great little life with a few government freebies and have their distractions I doubt it. I hope I am wrong.

[Coiloil37]

The dream spent a long time in its death throes but has been dead for some time now. Nearly ten years in my opinion. Most haven’t even noticed, plenty are in denial and the level of delusion amongst those who have noticed is unbelievable.

Case in point. Some of you even think there’s a chance of separation. My god, if it’s not bad enough now it never will be.

Seems some love the abuse.


It’s not the country I grew up in. Likely never will be again and if one looks, it’s easy to see which direction the majority vote.


Oh and speaking of consequences… of which there are many.






I see zero chance for any politician to reverse course. The voting masses won’t allow it. There is no continuity between parties or long term vision and the winds of change have shaped the political climate into something I can’t relate to but apparently the majority want. At this stage, to fix it one would need a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore, not a 4 year popularity contest. Nobody wants to do what’s right because it’s hard and unpopular.

[Pathfinder76]

PP will save us.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

PP will save us.

He can slow the decline, but the voters won't tolerate the extreme actions it would take to completely reverse the situation.

[Pathfinder76]

Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.

If PP tried to implement the extreme measures required to reverse the trend, many voters would not accept those measures, and PP would be voted out in the next election. Many voters like the sound of more fiscal responsibility, but when they realize that they will lose their handouts, they will vote for anyone promising to restore the handouts, even though we would be right back where we are under Trudeau.

[Smoky buck]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.

There is no political party that is going to be the savior in Canada. Overall Canadian politics suck. They are full of crap and there is no consequences for their actions because of this they are all easily tempted by corruption

We don’t have a “true conservative” party that is even close to a viable option or even exists in Canada.

I have said it before Conservatives are the best of the worst and my ears are open to a good alternative?

[pikergolf]

Originally Posted by Pathfinder76

Correction. The “conservatives” in this country aren’t really conservative. Makes it tough.

A true conservative party would have no chance, things are not bad enough yet. the only way a hard right government could ever win is if the country breaks down into chaos and the nation has to start over. By then we will probably be ripe for someone like Hitler that promises to clean out the ??? depending on who he blames. It is a cycle that has been played out for centuries, build an empire and have it destroyed by laziness and self indulgence. People have to much time on their hands and the nutbars find each other on the internet. Medicine Hat has a very strong socialist movement right now, maybe strong is the wrong word, active might be a better description. Anyways it is mostly older women, teachers and union members. To much time on their hand and they love to tell people that socialism is the answer. They are active on Facebook, school boards and giving free drugs to the dopers. Old ladies used to bake, dot on their grand kids and keep their husbands and homes in line. No more they feel they have a world to save now.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Coiloil37

The dream spent a long time in its death throes but has been dead for some time now. Nearly ten years in my opinion. Most haven’t even noticed, plenty are in denial and the level of delusion amongst those who have noticed is unbelievable.

Case in point. Some of you even think there’s a chance of separation. My god, if it’s not bad enough now it never will be.

Seems some love the abuse.


It’s not the country I grew up in. Likely never will be again and if one looks, it’s easy to see which direction the majority vote.


Oh and speaking of consequences… of which there are many.






I see zero chance for any politician to reverse course. The voting masses won’t allow it. There is no continuity between parties or long term vision and the winds of change have shaped the political climate into something I can’t relate to but apparently the majority want. At this stage, to fix it one would need a benevolent dictatorship like Singapore, not a 4 year popularity contest. Nobody wants to do what’s right because it’s hard and unpopular.

Pretty much nailed it there.

One thing that often gets overlooked is how the events surrounding the Ottawa Convoy protest affected investment. In the days following the freezing of bank accounts, two things happened, neither of which seem to be discussed often:

1. There was a run on the banks. If you went to take cash out from your bank during that time, you would essentially need to be there right at opening time. They would run out of cash very shortly after opening.
2. Foreign investment fled Canada. Millions of dollars were shifted to the US and other countries to protect them from risk. Many (if not most) of those dollars never returned to Canada.

When Trudeau/Freiland played the "freeze accounts" card, I think the banks put pressure on them to quickly un-freeze them. The fallout was palpable.