Trans Mountain Pipeline

[Moe]

That's the thing about politics; 50% hate you and 50% love you. But for Alberta, this was one thing Trudeau did that will help a lot of people in the oil patch.
https://vancouversun.com/business/tr...n-oil-pipeline

[Walleyedude]

That reads as though you're giving Trudeau credit for Trans Mountain getting built. Is that how you meant it?

Because that's like thanking someone for not breaking your legs after they've already broken your arms and stolen your wallet...

[Moe]

Originally Posted by Walleyedude

That reads as though you're giving Trudeau credit for Trans Mountain getting built. Is that how you meant it?

Because that's like thanking someone for not breaking your legs after they've already broken your arms and stolen your wallet...

Hey! Give credit where it is due. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Moe

Hey! Give credit where it is due. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then

More like the blind squirrel bought a nut, with our money.

[badbrass]

The truth comes out!

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

More like the blind squirrel bought a nut, with our money.

[DiabeticKripple]

One guy on my work crew was working the spread from Edmonton to Hinton. As soon as the govt bought the pipeline the foreman’s told them to milk it for everything they could and that’s where a good chunk of the cost overrun went.

Work immediately went from get it done quick to get it done as long as possible.

[Talking moose]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

One guy on my work crew was working the spread from Edmonton to Hinton. As soon as the govt bought the pipeline the foreman’s told them to milk it for everything they could and that’s where a good chunk of the cost overrun went.

Work immediately went from get it done quick to get it done as long as possible.

I worked on both trans mountain around Jasper and the LNG line around kitimat. Trans mountain was a vacation.

[58thecat]

Originally Posted by DiabeticKripple

One guy on my work crew was working the spread from Edmonton to Hinton. As soon as the govt bought the pipeline the foreman’s told them to milk it for everything they could and that’s where a good chunk of the cost overrun went.

Work immediately went from get it done quick to get it done as long as possible.

exactly, you see this al the time even at the lower levels too, had a storm come through many years ago, roof, fence etc so I got a company to asses the damage and give me a quote, they did but then I said it was a claim through SGI well it almost doubled and yup they milked it....awesome work though.

[Moe]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

More like the blind squirrel bought a nut, with our money.

What other money would he use? In the end, it is a good thing for Alberta and new markets other than bending over for the States and selling at a discount. Sometimes we have to swallow our pride and hatred and look at things objectively. It was a good thing that the Feds supported this and in the end we will see that big time. Especially with the war in Ukraine and Russian oil dropping. Perfect timing for higher oil prices and we can ship overseas. Gonna be another big boom for Alberta. Take the win and say "thanks".

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Moe

What other money would he use? In the end, it is a good thing for Alberta and new markets other than bending over for the States and selling at a discount. Sometimes we have to swallow our pride and hatred and look at things objectively. It was a good thing that the Feds supported this and in the end we will see that big time. Especially with the war in Ukraine and Russian oil dropping. Perfect timing for higher oil prices and we can ship overseas. Gonna be another big boom for Alberta. Take the win and say "thanks".

A private company would have operated the pipeline at a profit, with no cost to the taxpayers. And the private company would have paid income taxes to the Canadian government, as well as each employee paying income tax, which would have benefitted Canadians. We pay the salaries of everyone working for the government , so
Instead of a profit, every employee is a net loss. So in the end, Canadians will lose money with a corrupt ,incompetent government running the pipeline.

[Dylan15]

Originally Posted by Moe

What other money would he use? In the end, it is a good thing for Alberta and new markets other than bending over for the States and selling at a discount. Sometimes we have to swallow our pride and hatred and look at things objectively. It was a good thing that the Feds supported this and in the end we will see that big time. Especially with the war in Ukraine and Russian oil dropping. Perfect timing for higher oil prices and we can ship overseas. Gonna be another big boom for Alberta. Take the win and say "thanks".

Who should I say "thanks" to? The government that killed the project, so he could buy it above market value to be the savior while trying to buy votes? He spent more money than it was worth to avoid lawsuits, drove other investment out of the country, spent much more than necessary to build, which in turn hurts my wallet a lot more than it helps. This boondoggle will likely never be a net positive to the average tax payer due to the harm it has done to investment and taxes as a whole. This isn't a win. This is a mitigated loss. Better than not having, but not worth the cost.

[BuckCuller]

Originally Posted by Moe

Hey! Give credit where it is due. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut now and then

There is no squirrel, just a blind nut.

[Twisted Canuck]

Kline wrote a solid article in National Post about this, nails all the important bits.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/lib...ialist-success

[Talking moose]

Trudeau for Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!

[Twisted Canuck]

One thing Trudeau did?? What, stopped private capital from being able to build an enormously beneficial project with endless regulatory hoops and legislation and focused animosity on the energy sector, then after someone explained the repercussions, he does an about face and spends 5x the amount of public money to complete it? Yes, so grateful we should be.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

One thing Trudeau did?? What, stopped private capital from being able to build an enormously beneficial project with endless regulatory hoops and legislation and focused animosity on the energy sector, then after someone explained the repercussions, he does an about face and spends 5x the amount of public money to complete it? Yes, so grateful we should be.

Exactly, he didn't do the oilpatch or the Canadian
taxpayers any service, he just delayed the project, and made us pay for it, instead of having the project completed by the companies that started the project. Only a true woke/socialist person would see Trudeau's interference in this, as a good thing.

[59whiskers]

Originally Posted by elkhunter11

Exactly, he didn't do the oilpatch or the Canadian
taxpayers any service, he just delayed the project, and made us pay for it, instead of having the project completed by the companies that started the project. Only a true woke/socialist person would see Trudeau's interference in this, as a good thing.

Some Friend of the Liberal/NDP parties will be given a pipeline cheap?

[Scott h]

Originally Posted by 59whiskers

Some Friend of the Liberal/NDP parties will be given a pipeline cheap?

Seems like the perfect project for Danielle to sell her idea for an APP investment? Alberta pension money invested directly into a project with direct financial ties for Albertans.

[sewerrat]

Originally Posted by Talking moose

Trudeau for Prime Minister!!!!!!!!!!

Yup he build the pipeline, now he can Flick off!
Stupid wacko!

[BuckCuller]

Or he could have just let it get built in the first place so it didn’t take so long and be so far over budget and maybe not waist a bunch of tax payer money.
They turned it into a financial disaster just like everything else they have touched!

[Grizzly Adams1]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

Or he could have just let it get built in the first place so it didn’t take so long and be so far over budget and maybe not waist a bunch of tax payer money.
They turned it into a financial disaster just like everything else they have touched!

There it is, the primary reasons for the massive cost over runs.

[Drewski Canuck]

While the Liberals slap themselves on the back and sip back champagne for increasing the west coast access for oil export, does ANYONE here remember what he did on getting elected to the permitted, routed, and procured Northern Gateway Pipeline?

Apparently NOT. Northern Gateway would have taken oil from a number of
Alberta producers to the West Coast. One plan was Kitimat, but on the argument of tanker traffic and oil spill risk, it was cancelled by Trudeau. Another terminal could have been Prince Rupert.

That project was set to start construction in 2016, but was cancelled after the election of the Liberals. Trudeau claimed he had kayaked in the great northern rain forest so he declared himself an "expert".

Instead, we increased tanker traffic to Kitimat with an LNG terminal, and apparently an LNG tanker can do no harm if it hits a reef or runs aground.

So don't ask what Ottawa has done for you. Ask what Ottawa has done TO you.

Drewski

[W921]

Plus its kind of to late. Would be a real Lazarus miracle to bring back what we once had. Its good that someday it will get built. But oil and gas sector so devastated I don't think it will ever be what it was.
To many bankrupted. To many outfits left the country and are busy in other spots in the world. Why come back and risk same nonsense?

[huntinstuff]

If anyone in the real world did this, they would never be allowed near money again.

But government gets a pass.....got it

[6.5 shooter]

Originally Posted by BuckCuller

Or he could have just let it get built in the first place so it didn’t take so long and be so far over budget and maybe not waist a bunch of tax payer money.
They turned it into a financial disaster just like everything else they have touched!

Yup a Six million dollar pipeline (paid for by the oil company) turned into how many BILLIONS? (payed for by the tax payers, you and me). But it is OK cause the guy who probably has never ever, balanced a cheque book said so. Also find it interesting that all the FN protester's and their ilk somehow were a no show once the Lieberals got involved. Now I hear they are trying to sell the pipeline? Follow the money and you will know which of the Lieberals and their back room buddies got rich on your dime.

[igorot]

Originally Posted by Moe

That's the thing about politics; 50% hate you and 50% love you. But for Alberta, this was one thing Trudeau did that will help a lot of people in the oil patch.
https://vancouversun.com/business/tr...n-oil-pipeline

They saw a milking cow for their cronies to help them finance their next election campaign. The pipeline was already being built until they created so much bureaucratic red tape that it was no longer feasible for the private sector.

[58thecat]

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[igorot]

Originally Posted by 58thecat

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