RCMP Check Stops Near Whitecourt

wctbowtech · #1 10-05-2007, 09:02 AM

Several people I know got stopped over the course of the last couple of days. Both had unloaded non-restricted firearms in their vehiles. Both where handcuffed and placed in a police crusier for not having a trigger lock on thier firearms. Where do the RCMP get there information in regards to transportation of firearms? I wasn't 100% sure you didn't need to have a trigger guard on your gun so I called the Chief Firearms Officer and he confirmed that you do not need a trigger lock on. I told both guys to call the Staff Sergent and place a complant, but they fear reprocussions. What do you think they should do?

Dick284 · #2 10-05-2007, 09:06 AM

Contact their MP, and get them to rattle the RCMP's cage. the RCMP are breaking the law, this borders on false arrest, and wrongful confinement.
Someone has to file a complaint, and these fellows need to do that, pepole who are un effected carry no weight.
If the effected people do nothing they are allowing their rights to be trampled, and if this sort of jack boot tactics are tollerated from the police WTF is next.
BTW:
I will drop a line to the NFA and CSSA about this.

rugatika · #3 10-05-2007, 09:18 AM

...is going on here?? Are they trying to make owning a gun so scary that no one will want to own them. This is freaking sick!! (sorry for my language). These RCMP in this area are out of control. I got stopped by them several years ago for a seatbelt infraction. They had a false construction scenario set up on Hwy 43 and one of the "construction workers" was actually a cop looking into your vehicle when you slowed down and calling ahead to report on your seatbelt use.

At the top of the hill they had about 10 or 15 cars pulled over with what looked like the whole squad writing up tickets. So far this is all fair enough. What I found disgusting was the way they were gloating about how ingenious their little scenario was and all the tickets they were writing up. This is not the typical RCMP behaviour that I am used to. Usually RCMP are some of the most fair minded and polite officers on the road.

I am firing a letter of to my MP. These guys need to be reined in.

Lisa: "Who will police the police?"
Homer: "I dunno. The coastguard?"

Dick284 · #4 10-05-2007, 09:21 AM

The NFA is on this and I also called the area MP (Merrifield) about this.
I am also going to call Stockwell Day's office and see if the Minister of Public Safety will do anything

Win94 · #5 10-05-2007, 09:21 AM

I keep a copy of the transportation section from the firearms act in my glove compartment and have schooled a couple RCMP officers in the past.

rugatika · #6 10-05-2007, 09:26 AM

This combined with the incident in Dawson Creek does not sound like accidental negligence of the law. This sounds like a concerted effort to harass law abiding citizens who own guns. All officers need to be made aware of the laws and that this behaviour will not be tolerated by RCMP members. Any future events of this nature should result in immediate dismissal from the force.

I do hope that these law abiding individuals pursue civil action against the individual officers and the department head involved.

Thanks for getting on this Dick.

mskrecek · #7 10-05-2007, 09:26 AM

I read about this type of thing type of thing in BC a couple of weeks ago. If you go to the CFC website and look up their brochure and definition of transporting non-restricted firearms is says nothing of the sort of having a trigger lock or other locking device for transporting non-restricted firearms. Restricted and prohibited yes but non-restricted you don't require anything.

http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/factsheets...ransport_e.asp

Print it off and take it down to the station and show them what it indicates and then see what they say. It happened in BC a couple weeks ago and is posted here somewhere. If the firearms where unregistered also print off a copy of the amensty extension and take it down there as well.

Win94 · #8 10-05-2007, 09:36 AM

I can be in my Jeep, driving down 97st in Edmonton with my Guidegun on my lap with no trigger lock and not in it's case and as long as its unloaded its perfectly legal.

pogo · #9 10-05-2007, 11:20 AM

Presuming that there is truth in the original post in this thread, yesterdays Supreme Court ruling may, and I'm not a lawyer, may be useful for anyone wrongfully arrested for the transportation of non-restricted firearms. Depending on how deep your pockets are, it might be worth a person's while to seek damages or at least be vindicated in some fashion.

Thank-you Dick284 for getting the ball rolling on the matter. Since you have already been in communication with the appropriate political bodies, could you also mention yesterday's ruling to them? Below are two links. One link to the news coverage on the ruling, and the other is yet another link to the regulations pertaining to the transportation of non-restricted firearms. The links are lengthy and my typing accuracy not so good. Let me know if they don't work.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servl.../National/home

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/showdoc...chorbo-ga:s_10

The timing of this ruling is very interesting in relation to yesterdays events near Whitecourt. Perhaps somebody wants to test the waters, so to speak.

Cheers!

Dick284 · #10 10-05-2007, 11:26 AM

Link works Pogo:
Perhaps someone else wishes to rattle a few chains. There is strength in numbers.

Expecting someone else to do everything seems to be a great Canadian past time.

3Boys · #11 10-05-2007, 09:34 AM

There was a similiar type of incident this Aug in Dawson Creek. They do have options that they can check out. If they seriously did nothing wrong they have a valid complaint, and should pursue it. By them not coming forward and saying something could lead to more situations like theirs. It would be good to know the whole story. Where any charges laid?

M77RMKII · #12 10-06-2007, 09:46 PM

Where were these guys stopped? A highway or secondary road?

My next door neighbor is an RCMP officer(s), walks his dog and never bags the effluent :-) these guys are just hired, not perfect. Perhaps a video submission to YouTube may bring some national attention. Anybody dare to push it

BUD · #13 10-29-2007, 11:36 PM

Could it be that this particular Female cop also belongs to PETA and has a built in hate for hunters , mmmm , just a thought.

BUD · #14 10-29-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by wctbowtech

Several people I know got stopped over the course of the last couple of days. Both had unloaded non-restricted firearms in their vehiles. Both where handcuffed and placed in a police crusier for not having a trigger lock on thier firearms. Where do the RCMP get there information in regards to transportation of firearms? I wasn't 100% sure you didn't need to have a trigger guard on your gun so I called the Chief Firearms Officer and he confirmed that you do not need a trigger lock on. I told both guys to call the Staff Sergent and place a complant, but they fear reprocussions. What do you think they should do?

Could it be that this particular Female Cop also belongs to PETA , and has a built in hate for hunters , mmm , just a thought.

Hunterclark · #15 10-30-2007, 05:08 AM

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Well I'm really confused!! So I'm going to trigger lock my rifle in its case regardless! I don't want to get into a pi$$ing match with the police.

Sounds like a good Idea its not that hard i do it all the time .I see alot of POOO HOOO

r.c.m.p this r.c.m.p that get over it dam

some of you cry (Wheres a cop when you need one. )

Now they are out there doing there job what do they get for it booo hooo poor you .I am happy they are out there doing there "Job"not like most of you thinking they are against you infringeing on your rights

gunslinger · #16 10-30-2007, 06:03 AM

jesus clarky you say some stupid things.
load your brain before you shoot your mouth off.

the point is its not illegal to not have a trigger lock on,
noones booo hoooing simply stating some facts here unlike you, you go ahead and go buy a trigger lock im going to go and talk to my small town police officers and see what they think.

#17 10-30-2007, 06:58 AM

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An RCMP Sgt from Bonneville, was on CHED noon news and was talking about hunting safety ...he reiterated that TRIGGER LOCKS must be used when transporting a firearm.

This statement tells me your going to get hassled every time if you dont have one you dont need to load your "BRAIN" for that (DAM IF YOU DO AND DAM IF YOU DONT ).

I use them and from what i have read i am going to save myself alot of hassle unlike some of you good luck .