Harassing wildlife with a plane and interfering in a hunt?

[trigger7mm]

Like the title says, there’s a red and white plane flying around the Strome area, that is interfering in people’s goose shoots. It’s certainly intentional. What can be done about it. Thanks for your advise.

[sns2]

We have had the exact same happen to us southeast of Camrose. Video. Pictures. Get the call number of the plane if visible. That is interfering with a lawful hunt, and thus a chargeable offence.

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by sns2

We have had the exact same happen to us southeast of Camrose. Video. Pictures. Get the call number of the plane if visible. That is interfering with a lawful hunt, and thus a chargeable offence.

That plane was obviously driving birds away from our setup, he hung around long enough to drive off several flocks by approaching them, as they came over our field. Unfortunately, we were not able to make out the numbers on the plane.

[BuckCuller]

They must have numbers on the plane.
Report them to fish and wildlife.

[freeride]

Originally Posted by trigger7mm

Like the title says, there’s a red and white plane flying around the Strome area, that is interfering in people’s goose shoots. It’s certainly intentional. What can be done about it. Thanks for your advise.

What did you wind up doing about it last year? Did you try the transport canada route, or video recording it?

Honest question if you were able to get any head way on stopping it for a bit at least.

[trigger7mm]

Pretty sure it’s a well known waterfowl outfitter in the area. Any guesses?

[edmsmith]

You think with the vast number of birds that go through that area that an outfitter cares that your setup in a field?

Any of the bird hunters I know from Strome area give away their birds left and right as they can't eat em all. Sounds like you need to make new friends in the area.

[edmsmith]

If you can share a picture of the plane I'm sure I can find out who owns it... going to guess their not purposely interfering with your hunts... but who knows.

[trigger7mm]

I have many great friends all over the area. Lived here the last 30 years. Right now goose shoots aren’t spread out as much as they will be in a couple of weeks. Most of the crops are still standing. Just a few select pea fields are available, and when money is involved, some people will go to lengths to mess with others and try to screw it up for them. I’ve seen it done many times in the past. I could go on and on, but you get it…Unless you’re right here seeing what I’m talking about, you probably shouldn’t really comment.

[edmsmith]

Originally Posted by edmsmith

If you can share a picture of the plane I'm sure I can find out who owns it... going to guess their not purposely interfering with your hunts... but who knows.

Some people are so unhelpful.... if only you had a way to figure out who's flying the plane.

[catnthehat]

Originally Posted by edmsmith

You think with the vast number of birds that go through that area that an outfitter cares that your setup in a field?

Any of the bird hunters I know from Strome area give away their birds left and right as they can't eat em all. Sounds like you need to make new friends in the area.

The Outfitters are not concerned about bird meat, they ate concerned about being able to get exclusive hunting for their clients .
If they chase birds out of one area they will more than likely head over to another , ideally with the Outfitters clients and guides in it . Thatvis the whole idea behind spooking someone's spread.
Cat

[elkhunter11]

Originally Posted by catnthehat

The Outfitters are not concerned about bird meat, they ate concerned about being able to get exclusive hunting for their clients .
If they chase birds out of one area they will more than likely head over to another , ideally with the Outfitters clients and guides in it . Thatvis the whole idea behind spooking someone's spread.
Cat

Exactly, birds feeding on land that they have no access to, are competition for them, when they are driven off, the competition is removed, and the birds might even go to a field that the outfitter can access.

[270person]

Originally Posted by trigger7mm

Pretty sure it’s a well known waterfowl outfitter in the area. Any guesses?

I know of one for sure that Flys his own plane. Not saying it's him of course.

[trigger7mm]

Yep, me too. Going to be ready with the video camera next time. Will get the numbers and go from there. Thanks to the gentleman who provided helpful advise.

[leeelmer]

Transport Canada may have things that they can do.
But as for interfering in a legal hunt, sadly its a court date, and if found guilty is a fine. Even for a outfitter.
Sadly a sheep out fitter in the Blackstone was videotaped last year interfering in some others ram hunt.
He was charged and fined. That was it.
Of course still a member in good standing with APOS
There was a local lady around here that has been fined about every year
To her its worth it because us nasty hunters should not be killing things.

[teberle]

How low does he fly? It's illegal to fly within 500 feet of people, buildings or vehicles unless taking off or landing, so if they're doing that, Transport Canada may be interested. To say nothing of the obvious stupidity of flying toward a flock of large birds..

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[fed]

If it’s an outfitter do him a favour and find his goose hunts for clients. Find their setups in the fields and watch for the geese coming in. When they do let a salvo of rounds off with your shotgun will watching from the road. Nothing he can do as you can say you’re hunting upland and can discharge a firearm from the road. Couple ****ed off clients and maybe he’ll get the picture

[Esox]

Just man up and go see Claudio and confront him about it. He uses his plane to scout for birds, so maybe he didnt see you or maybe he did it on purpose. No one will ever know the truth.

[Big Grey Wolf]

Had a guy with chopper liked to use it to hunt rams on Blackstone. I was half way climbing up the mountain to the rams, he lands on river sand bar, then comes across my horses tied to trees. He hightailed it out as realized jig was up before I got his chopper numbers.

[edmsmith]

Originally Posted by Esox

Just man up and go see Claudio and confront him about it. He uses his plane to scout for birds, so maybe he didnt see you or maybe he did it on purpose. No one will ever know the truth.

Is that who the ops whining about? I think he just wants to whine and not do anything. Multiple years now with same issue and he hasn't had a conversation with the guy he thinks is purposely ruining his hunts.

He lives in awesome country, with amazing hunting opportunities filled with amazing locals. Its weird he thinks there isn't an easier way to sort out this problem.

[Frank_NK28]

I had an outfitter a couple weeks ago because I got permission before he did to hunt. His guide asked how many we were in our group. I said just me. He was shocked and said "you are hunting this huge feed alone??" I said yes. He asked if I would delay my hunt a day to accommodate his clients and join them. I said "not interested, I don't like hunting in a group larger than 2-3 and I don't like your boss". He shrugged and left. Next morning I am about 10 minutes into legal shooting time and have a limit of ducks down and waiting on the geese.
From the roost I hear a single "bang!" and 1/2 mile away up goes about 8,000 geese. I ended up getting one snow goose for the remainder of my sit. I can't say for sure it was the outfitter or his guide but I did see the guides vehicle coming from the road to the roost a few minutes later. Karma is a bitch. I know all the major and hidden roost areas they draw from and have no issue returning the favour. It wouldn't be the first time.

[C-Lublinkhof]

Is anyone else running into people checking for animals with drones? I’ve had it twice now where a drone buzzes over at the crack of dawn to check clearings and cutlines.


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[Glas Ó Cairealláin]

Originally Posted by C-Lublinkhof

Is anyone else running into people checking for animals with drones? I’ve had it twice now where a drone buzzes over at the crack of dawn to check clearings and cutlines.


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Geez I hope that one gets caught. I fly a drone and I sure as hell don't use it for hunting, I use it for antler hunting in the spring as well as just the joy of flying it. I also have a licence for it as well as numbers on my drone. Guys like that make things bad for us law abiding folks. I sure wouldn't want the fine and lose my $$$$ drone for being stupid. I did fly it in the morning up by Leslieville not long ago because our friend, a farmer lady hasn't seen that patch of land of hers for 20 years. She is almost 100 years old and hasn't been able to get there so I filmed the whole thing for her so she can see what it looks like from the air. We were not hunting that day, we were harvesting giant puffball mushrooms.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Glas Ó Cairealláin

Geez I hope that one gets caught. ... Guys like that make things bad for us law abiding folks.

That's for sure. I used to think they fell in the same category as aircraft, that is, you could use the drone but not on the same day that you were hunting.

Looking at the wildlife act, a person can't use it for hunting at all. Which would be a conundrum, actually, for those who are using drones to get aerial footage for their hunting videos, come to think of it.

I always thought that using a drone in the woods during hunting season is risky anyhow.

You know, someone is walking along, carrying a shotgun, and then sees a drone flying overhead...

"I coulda sworn I heard someone shout, 'Pull!'"

[Glas Ó Cairealláin]

Originally Posted by Stinky Buffalo

You know, someone is walking along, carrying a shotgun, and then sees a drone flying overhead...

"I coulda sworn I heard someone shout, 'Pull!'"

MAJOR BAD if someone shoots a drone down. Transport Canada treats that pretty seriously as a felony. In their opinion it's like shooting down a plane. If someone sees one you are supposed to phone the cops.
Anywhere I've flown my drone, I've always had permission to fly and there was no one on the property that I know of. Never had an issue yet, but then again I don't fly it like a moron.


"Transport Canada stress that UAVs are considered aircraft. As with planes, helicopters, hot air balloons, and so on, shooting at a drone endangers the safety of the aircraft, and violates federal legislation on the safe use of firearms."

[Stinky Buffalo]

Originally Posted by Glas Ó Cairealláin

but then again I don't fly it like a moron.

This is key.

[Claudio Ongaro]

Hey all ... let me first say thanks those who speak with logic on this matter and to those with words of support.

Before I start my rebuttal to these bull$#!T accusations ... have a look at my forum name!

Yup it says Claudio Ongaro (I don't hide behind a keyboard and spew unsubstantiated harmful rhetoric) ... here is my phone number 1-780-203-4868 ... I invite you to call me to discuss your concerns and your accusations of which ALL are false ... I suspect no one will as I have been in this same situation before yet no one ever makes the time to call or text.

Yes GGCE is mine and the photo was likely from my FB or IG page ... So crafty!! I'm likely the most publicly open and accessible outfitter in Alberta with nothing to hide except of course the jet black carbon fibre Super Cub with no numbers or markings which rarely comes out of the secret hangar buried three stories under ground ... Lex Luthor will never find it!! Hahahaaa

The rest of you hating on me and outfitters in general, it's time to take a hard look at your own inadequacies and quit blaming everyone you can from a hidden name behind a keyboard. As I write this, it is Sept 27 ... I have not had a shower since Saturday evening (not because I am too busy flying and trying to sabotage everyone's hunts) but because bird outfitting is hard work and requires long hours of spotting and hunting to be successful. Oh and I really don't have time to be dealing with this but I really can't stand the rumour mill and the drama this can create on the landscape in which we work everyday: not to mention the anti-outfitting sentiment it creates. I have flown three times and once was to ferry my plane for its annual where it has been parked since. If I fly I certainly have no reason to sabotage anyone's hunts or disturb any birds. Think about ... how does this benefit me besides burning time of which I have none to spare, burning expensive fuel and adding costly engine time to my aircraft.


I will say this ... I have zero interest in sabotaging anyone's hunt. Me and my team do this professionally every day and to think we have the time to worry about you or your hunt or the hunt we did not get and that we actually have the time to stress over it is ridiculous.

We are professional guides and if we miss out on a hunt (happens more often than not) ... We carry on, spot hard, find another feed and try to acquire access to another hunt. We hunt a massive area as to not impose any great pressure on any one area at any given time. I actually want you to crush a bunch birds as I know once local hunters have smashed a few limits they care not to hunt as much. We have amazing relationships with most of our landowners (many who have become great friends after 30 years ... yes 30 years ... hunting from the same location) that call or text if they see birds. Hmmm ... that's not what the keyboard warriors are spewing.

Anyhow ... I have been up since 4:30 AM, I am tired and I have clients that missed a flight that I need to pick up at 1 AM. I am pretty sure I won't have time to go find any of you this week to try and sabotage your hunts. Damn ... I guess I will have to focus on my clients. there is a novel idea.


I know next week will be the same as the days get shorter, the hunts pack in closer together and the days get busier. Oh wait a minute ... If I get my night rating I can come look for you in the dark while you're setting up your hunts (I don't need sleep). Better yet ... I'll just buy a helicopter ... that would make it much much easier as I could just hover over your set the entire morning with all of my spare time.

On a serious note ... Call me 1-780-203-4868 ... I always answer my phone if I am awake and I am not in the middle of a hunt. If I don't pick up .. shoot me a text and I will get with you usually in minutes.

Cheers!!

Claudio Ongaro

[densa44]

I don't think that it is a good idea to fight amoung ourselves. When I first met Cam McKay on a goose hunt north of Winnepeg, (he could shoot as well as Elk), he said "you are always welcome on a goose hunt if you bring a shovel and your own lunch" the idea being that when the flock comes in there are lots of birds to shoot.

The people on here are the best friends that you will ever find. We should not be causing more problems than we already have.

[edmsmith]

Hah oh man... good to see claudio post.

Imagine; a grown man like the op claims to be. He could have just spoke to whomever he took issue with instead of making a purposely vague post.

Some of us even offered him help that he refused to take up.

Can't wait for rifle season. I'll be around strome lots.

[Stinky Buffalo]

Had a good chat with Claudio this evening. I had some explaining to do.

Recommend anyone with concerns to take him up on his offer!