What powers does a Premier have to get a pipeline built?

[sns2]

Another thread got me wondering what powers a premier actually has that could be used to bring pressure to bear in hopes of getting a pipeline built? This is an honest question about our gov't structure, as opposed to politics. By all means chime in, but do not mention names or parties. I am not interested in individual politicians, but I am interested in learning strategies a provincial premier has at their disposal.

[Twisted Canuck]

Short answer...none. At best they could bring a constitutional challenge if they feel interprovincial trade is being blocked, or tariffs applied. But they can't do much about a regulatory approval process that legally involves first nations consultation, and environmental assessments. Anything they say for the press, is posturing and pandering for votes. That's my take on it.

Sad but true. It's one big game of Head, Butt, & Tail, and Alberta is the Butt...

[Don Andersen]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Short answer...none. At best they could bring a constitutional challenge if they feel interprovincial trade is being blocked, or tariffs applied. But they can't do much about a regulatory approval process that legally involves first nations consultation, and environmental assessments. Anything they say for the press, is posturing and pandering for votes. That's my take on it.

Sad but true. It's one big game of Head, Butt, & Tail, and Alberta is the Butt...

Thank you for the truth. I understand the frustration but realize the law is the only solution.

Don

[elkhunter11]

To get a pipeline built, very little, but to stop or delay a pipeline, they have a great deal of influence, as we have witnessed first hand. And we have also seen how easy it is to pretend to support a pipeline, while actually doing your best to make sure it doesn't get built.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Short answer...none. At best they could bring a constitutional challenge if they feel interprovincial trade is being blocked, or tariffs applied. But they can't do much about a regulatory approval process that legally involves first nations consultation, and environmental assessments. Anything they say for the press, is posturing and pandering for votes. That's my take on it.

Sad but true. It's one big game of Head, Butt, & Tail, and Alberta is the Butt...

Pretty much sums it up for a Preimer.

A Prime Minister however has the authority to push a pipeline through no matter what. But he would have to want to exercise this power.

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Pretty much sums it up for a Preimer.

A Prime Minister however has the authority to push a pipeline through no matter what. But he would have to want to exercise this power.

BW

He really wanted to, but he got distracted trying to get SNC off the hook for actually being 'dirty'....

[CaberTosser]

Isn't there that option about shutting off the valves on the pipeline currently delivering their oil? See how much they really don't like pipelines after that.

A lot of BC is quite oblivious to why they need a second pipeline, much of it is for their own benefit and energy security rather than purely for export, although there would be a significant export capacity too of course. Its always nice to have some redundancy in critical supply chains, currently they have none whatsoever. The current pipeline is running at capacity and the same could be said for oil capacity by rail with the current rail fleet and experienced staff. With the current backlog of shipping grain I've heard of this isn't a new thing. At any rate, with the current pipeline being such a lifeline to the lower mainland and beyond, it would be a massive deal if it were to be throttled back.

The link below have some excellent information and links to their sources:


https://achemistinlangley.net/2018/0...ipeline-myths/

https://achemistinlangley.net/2018/0...project-fails/

[3blade]

The notwithstanding clause is pretty much the only “legal” option within the current framework. But it could be used to cut a wide swath through a lot of important issues. The thing is, once you start down that road you have to be absolutly committed and things might get a whole lot worse before they get better. There would be severe retaliation and our economy relies on trade. No doubt there would be unintended consequences as well.

The other options are all begun by punting the Royal Jackboots and banning them from our territory, and then the sky’s the limit because “legal” is no longer enforced by Ottawa.

We are very much in the midst of an interesting time, given recent election results, ongoing fights between different levels of government, and a significant and growing tax burden. If I was to guess, the string pullers might allow for a changing of the guard this fall to keep the gravy train flowing east.

[roper1]

Too young to remember exactly, but I believe we had a premier take on the NEP, he did not blink, stuck to his principles, sued the feds, stood up for AB & had an amicable resolution before it ever went to court?

The current edition had their chance, and didn't follow through.

[amosfella]

The only power legally to force would be through the federal courts. Although they could possibly use the notwithstanding clause on federal programs such as equalization till it was pushed through. But that's more of a standoff situation.

The only other power would be to start pushing separation. In our case, I think that would be the only thing that would catch the attention of those in power that are able to move the projects ahead.

However, that convoy going to Rottawa would possibly get a lot more done by parking every exit road to Rottawa full of big rigs till the city grinds to a halt for a week. Show them what a world without fossil fuels looks like.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by roper1

Too young to remember exactly, but I believe we had a premier take on the NEP, he did not blink, stuck to his principles, sued the feds, stood up for AB & had an amicable resolution before it ever went to court?

The current edition had their chance, and didn't follow through.

Here you go

https://www.cbc.ca/alberta/features/tories40/nep.html

BW

[roper1]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Here you go

https://www.cbc.ca/alberta/features/tories40/nep.html

BW

Ahh, thanks! Wine, lumber, oil, nat gas, access, etc., no one took her seriously. Referenced premier took a chance that the courts would back him, the current edition paid lip service. I believe a lot of Albertans would be comfortable with the threat of fines & legal action from another province to force a compromise.

[ReconWilly]

Syria was destroyed over a pipeline...

Canadian Provincial Premiere's are nobodies, simple lackeys towing the line.

[sns2]

Originally Posted by ReconWilly

Syria was destroyed over a pipeline...

Canadian Provincial Premiere's are nobodies, simple lackeys towing the line.

Please explain in full.

[chasingtail]

Immediately start collecting and withholding all Federal taxes (like Quebec does), use that extra 10-15 billion to build up a Military or Militia to prevent any Federal retaliation.

[dmac]

Originally Posted by chasingtail

Immediately start collecting and withholding all Federal taxes (like Quebec does), use that extra 10-15 billion to build up a Military or Militia to prevent any Federal retaliation.

bahahahahahahah! Thats a good one.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by sns2

Another thread got me wondering what powers a premier actually has that could be used to bring pressure to bear in hopes of getting a pipeline built? This is an honest question about our gov't structure, as opposed to politics. By all means chime in, but do not mention names or parties. I am not interested in individual politicians, but I am interested in learning strategies a provincial premier has at their disposal.

Or.
What powers does a premier have to withhold the taxes collected within their province and not send to Ottawa? Does a premier have any power over the CRA?

BW

[Twisted Canuck]

Only Quebec collects it's own provincial taxes (residents there complete two tax forms, fed and prov). The CRA collects all other provinces provincial taxes for them...did you not notice you only file a federal return? So there is no way for a province to 'withhold' taxes from the CRA, as they already did the collecting, thank you very much. Only option is to collect like Quebec does. Good luck with that.

[Bigwoodsman]

Originally Posted by Twisted Canuck

Only Quebec collects it's own provincial taxes (residents there complete two tax forms, fed and prov). The CRA collects all other provinces provincial taxes for them...did you not notice you only file a federal return? So there is no way for a province to 'withhold' taxes from the CRA, as they already did the collecting, thank you very much. Only option is to collect like Quebec does. Good luck with that.

How does a province get the powers that Quebec has? Do we need to get serious about separation in the west?

BW

[sns2]

Originally Posted by Bigwoodsman

Or.

What powers does a premier have to withhold the taxes collected within their province and not send to Ottawa? Does a premier have any power over the CRA?



BW

That's my big question. Until it is $, we are urinating quietly into the wind.

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