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08-06-2008, 11:29 PM
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270 win vs. 270 WSM
Hello all...
I have had such good luck with my Savage 12FVSS 223 varmint rifle that I have decided to purchase a Savage 116 FCSS chambered in 270 win or 270 WSM. I am very familiar with the 270 win as it has been my primary hunting round for > 25 years with no problems... But I have no knowledge about the 270 WSM except for some reading on the internet... Does anyone here have recommendations with respect to these two calibers?
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08-07-2008, 05:49 AM
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The 270WSM does and will live up to it's billing.
I drive 130gr. bullets to 3325fps, with hand loads, and of the factory ammunition I've chronographed, it usually comes out pretty close to published numbers.
Another hidden benifit is the case life, the blocky designed WSM has. I'm on about my 6th loading for some casings, and Bushrat has gotten around 15 loadings from some of his brass.
Now is the WSM a quantum leap beyond the 270Win? Nope, but it has that certain quality about it that sets it just far enough apart from it to give it a certain apeal.
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08-07-2008, 05:52 AM
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The 270 WSM will give you an honest 200 fps, maybe 250 fps more velocity with any given bullet weight over the 270 Win. If I already owned a 270 Win I wouldn't bother with the short mag, but in your situation I would probably go with the 270 WSM, just because it's a bit more of an already good thing.
I have a T-3 in 270 WSM and it's a nice, flat shooting rifle that seems perfect for hunting deer on the prairie like I normally do. Then again, the 270 Win fits that bill quite nicely as well. The truth is either calibre is a good choice for hunting just about everything in Alberta.
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08-07-2008, 08:24 AM
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Have a great deal of respect for both 270 cartridges...That being said I think the 7 WSM is the best of the bunch..277 vs 284 I'd take the 7 and not look back..
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04-03-2010, 10:36 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 550 CAT
Have a great deal of respect for both 270 cartridges...That being said I think the 7 WSM is the best of the bunch..277 vs 284 I'd take the 7 and not look back..
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my sentiments exactly...the best of the WSM's is the least popular,...go figure..slightly more capacity than the shorter 270 and with the great .284" bullet diameter....sounds like a win win, but I guess the market place doesn't agree.
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10-02-2010, 12:29 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 550 CAT
Have a great deal of respect for both 270 cartridges...That being said I think the 7 WSM is the best of the bunch..277 vs 284 I'd take the 7 and not look back..
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Given that line of thinking, wouldn't a 300 mag be better than the 7 mag? Or why stop there, wouldn't a 338 mag be better than a 300 mag?
Oh, wait a minute...he was asking about 270's wasn't he.
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10-05-2010, 12:44 AM
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Hornady Light Mag
IIRC...
I read in one of the Gun Rags that the 140gr 270win hornady light mag (or 130?) was faster than the same weight in 270wsm factory.
something like 3250 for the 270winLM, and only 3230 for the 270wsm
can't remember the specifics, but (Layne Simpson?) the pundit was surprised that the 270WSM was only marginally better in most weights, and slower compared to the LM load
anyone else remember reading this?
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10-05-2010, 06:31 PM
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Has anyone had any good results loading 270 wsm with Magpro powder? It's suppose to maximize the benefits for the short magnums.
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08-07-2008, 08:27 AM
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I've seen both the 270 and the 270wsm in action. Both knock down game without a problem but I did see a 550+ yard deer knockdown last year with a 270wsm. The person was using a B&C recticle from a Leupold vx-III 4.5x14LR scope.
I would have never even attemped a shot like that with a 270 or my 30-06.
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08-07-2008, 03:02 PM
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I've got a T3 in 270wsm and it's a great gun. Nothing wrong with the win, but the wsm does give you a little better performance. If you want something a little different go for the wsm, it's a cool cartridge, but nothing wrong with sticking to the tried and true 270win either.
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08-07-2008, 08:11 PM
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Don't mean to hi jack the thread but is there much difference in recoil?
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08-07-2008, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Pheasantnut
Don't mean to hi jack the thread but is there much difference in recoil?
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Check out this chart for reference:
http://www.chuckhawks.com/recoil_table.htm
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08-24-2008, 08:47 AM
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I have a 270wsm in a Tikka t3 and love it. I have never had or shot a 270 win so for me to compare I can't, but I can tell you I have had great sucess with my short mag I am shooting a 1/2'' group at 100yds with a 140grn winchester fail safe. My biggest feat so far has been a pretty good bull moose @ 250yds and he only went 20 yds. My gun is very light I'm using Burris optics and it has very little recoil, I got rid of my ruger m77 7mm rem mag for the 270wsm and have no regrets.
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04-05-2010, 06:31 PM
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I have had both the 270 and the 270wsm, now I have only one 270WSM
By far my go to rifle for deer to moose
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04-05-2010, 08:42 PM
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when i went from vanilla 270 to the whiz bang 270 homework basically said the whiz bang was about 20% more, felt like more than that on my shoulder in 7 lb-ish all in set ups though....since i wanted the power to have the same hit 20% further i decided to muzzle brake my whiz bang...in a heavier gun i think it would be more tolerable but if your a 500 yrd or less kind of guy then the regular 270 would probably be my choice, then there's the short action/long action thing for weight savings that might be a factor(not with tikka though...they are light enough anyhow so either is good choice in it imo)
both are just flippin fantastic
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04-06-2010, 01:49 AM
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i shot a 270 win for many years. when it was time for a new gun, the 270 wsm won simply because it weighed 13 ounces less on the scale. the extra oomph and flatter trajectory are nice touches, but the weight was what sold me. if you walk lots...especially higher than trees grow it is a consideration.
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04-07-2010, 08:39 PM
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Unless you have extra money to spend on wsm dies, brass, powders (you might have some from other mag cartridges) or if you don't reload the extra in cost of shells go with the 270 win, its only about 100 fps more. Put that in a ballistics calculator and it isn't worth the extra effort involved (3" at 500 yards) Then factor in availability in small towns, target practice, hunting foreign countries, added recoil. The 270 win and either H4831 or H4350 works great over almost all the bullet wts available. It really makes you wonder where common sense went? Get a 270 win in a 24" long barrel and you will never know the difference in the field, the only difference will be in your pocketbook.
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01-16-2012, 05:00 PM
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Shot placement and bullet construction....2 most imortant things....forget the rest
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01-16-2012, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RemUltraMag
Shot placement and bullet construction....2 most imortant things....forget the rest
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When everything is equal however, and all ghe variables the same, the 270WSM is a tad faster so it will hit a bit harder.
If you can't shoot however,neither will help you!
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01-16-2012, 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by catnthehat
When everything is equal however, and all ghe variables the same, the 270WSM is a tad faster so it will hit a bit harder.
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It will buck the wind a bit better too and at extended ranges it will hit with a bit more velocity...important for bullet expansion. The 270WSM does offer advantages over the 270Win, it just really depends on your hunting style whether you will realize those advantages or not. But for someone to say they don't exist just isn't true.
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