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Weatherby advantage?
As we all know Weatherby cartridges for the most part will give you 200 +/- feet per second more depending on caliber. My question is this a big advantage? And second what other advantages would a Weatherby have?
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they are so bulky they make great canoe paddles ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif)
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they are so bulky they make great canoe paddles ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif) ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif)
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You find them bulky? Would the weight be a good thing?
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You find them bulky? Would the weight be a good thing?
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Truly i have nothing against Weatherby cartridges.They are just not my thing is all.I would definately never buy one of their rifles however.I find them bulky, I don't like the stocks or the actions and they are just plain ugly....to me. Others, as we know, love them . Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
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Truly i have nothing against Weatherby cartridges.They are just not my thing is all.I would definately never buy one of their rifles however.I find them bulky, I don't like the stocks or the actions and they are just plain ugly....to me. Others, as we know, love them . Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.
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Too bulky? You built like a 10 year old girl?
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If you know many 195 lbs, 6 ' tall 10 year old girls then yes i suppose. Doesn't change the fact that i dislike Weatherby rifles, the way they look and the way they handle. You like them , good for you, I could care less if you like ugly rifles....
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they are so bulky they make great canoe paddles ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif) ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif)
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At 5 3/4 pounds for a Mark V, Ultralightweight I wonder what is considered Not Bulky ?
The Truth... Everything you could kill with a .300 Weatherby, you could kill with a .308 Winchester...
Everything you could kill with a $1,600 Mark V., you could drop with a $500 Remington Model 710 package...
Can what your shooting at with a Weatherby tell the difference with a well placed shot ? Probably not...
But the man holding the rifle can tell the difference...
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As we all know Weatherby cartridges for the most part will give you 200 +/- feet per second more depending on caliber. My question is this a big advantage? And second what other advantages would a Weatherby have?
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Didn't you bring this same subject up on another thread? I believe that it was only one month ago that you were slamming the Weatherby rifles and cartridges. It seems to me that you are trolling. Becareful what you troll for, you may catch something that will bite you. My son and I are big Weatherby Mark V fans and users along with hundreds of thousands of other hunters in the world, but I will admit that the Vanguard is a less desirable rifle. I would classify it in the JUNK rifle section.
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[ but I will admit that the Vanguard is a less desirable rifle. I would classify it in the JUNK rifle section.[/QUOTE]
Don't think I would call them junk. I have two (22-250 and 270 Wby Mag), both are 20 yrs old, shoot lights out and are absolutely gorgeous. Not sure how anyone can look at a Weatherby on Wood and call it ugly???
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[ but I will admit that the Vanguard is a less desirable rifle. I would classify it in the JUNK rifle section.
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Don't think I would call them junk. I have two (22-250 and 270 Wby Mag), both are 20 yrs old, shoot lights out and are absolutely gorgeous. Not sure how anyone can look at a Weatherby on Wood and call it ugly??? ![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif) [/QUOTE]
There is a MAJOR difference in the quality between the Mark V and the Vanguard. Although I love the Weatherby Mark V's I have to be honest and call a spade a spade, and that is, the Vanguards are of poor quality. There is more to a firearm than it's exterior appearance. Quality of material, fit and finish, balance, smooth action, crisp trigger, and accuracy are the major traits of a good quality firearm. The Vangard dosen't meet those qualities compared to the Mark V.
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Any advantages that Weatherby's have, they have in freebored rifles with 26" barrels. They are a beautiful , well constructed fire arm and (sigh) if they fit me better I would likely own a few . But put them in a 24" pipe or non free bored configuration , and the advandage dwindles , fast. I have a 300 WSM on a Sako, and do not feel under gunned for the game or distances that I shoot at. If I owned a 300 mag of any sort I wouldn't rush out to buy a 300 Weatherby (maybe a 300-378 ![Evilgrin](images/smilies/evilgrin0013.gif) ).
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I have looked at a Weatherby fit and finish wise it's as good as my Tikka or some sako's I"ve seen.
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I would certainly hope that the Weatherby Mark V has fit and finish equal to a Tikka costing half as much.
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My son and I are big Weatherby Mark V fans and users along with hundreds of thousands of other hunters in the world, but I will admit that the Vanguard is a less desirable rifle. I would classify it in the JUNK rifle section.
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I have personally owned two Mark V rifles,and two Howa made rifles equivalent to the Vanguard.The Mark V rifles had a better trigger,but the Howas were more accurate.Even if a person replaced the trigger on the Howa rifles,the total investment would still be far below that of a Mark V.
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The real question is why are you guys up so stinking early ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif) As for the Weatherby it's all about your priorities, me I have a torn up shoulder so the biggest thing I shoot is a 7mm Rem Mag
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I would certainly hope that the Weatherby Mark V has fit and finish equal to a Tikka costing half as much.
I have personally owned two Mark V rifles,and two Howa made rifles equivalent to the Vanguard.The Mark V rifles had a better trigger,but the Howas were more accurate.Even if a person replaced the trigger on the Howa rifles,the total investment would still be far below that of a Mark V.
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Are you counting your 460 in the two, or only two that you shot?
Every now and then I remember that rifle, never heard one shoot , but I don't think I'd want to with that brake on there! ![Laugh](images/smilies/happy0009.gif)
I don't know of bob every shot it either..... ![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
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I would certainly hope that the Weatherby Mark V has fit and finish equal to a Tikka costing half as much.
I have personally owned two Mark V rifles,and two Howa made rifles equivalent to the Vanguard.The Mark V rifles had a better trigger,but the Howas were more accurate.Even if a person replaced the trigger on the Howa rifles,the total investment would still be far below that of a Mark V.
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How accurate are your vanguards? I just returned from the range on Sunday and shot the 300 Wby, 240 Wby and 280 AI in a Cooper. Both Weatherbys shot under 3/4 inch group, the Cooper was a much different story, .275 inch group. The Weatherby's shoot alot better than I do, and on other occasions when I'm in the zone, I've shot sub 1/2. These are not target firearms, they were ment for hunting. However, this is only one good trait of many, for a good quality firearm. If the Vangard is still below the the price of the Mark V after a trigger replacement, you still have a Vanguard.
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Lot of guys have Vanguard's and they will tell you that they are very accurate, some even morso then some of the Mark V's.No kidding the Vanguard doesn't compare to the Mark V, It wasn't made to compete with one.Only a grand difrence in price
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Lot of guys have Vanguard's and they will tell you that they are very accurate, some even morso then some of the Mark V's.No kidding the Vanguard doesn't compare to the Mark V, It wasn't made to compete with one.Only a grand difrence in price ![Rolleyes2](images/smilies/rolleye0005.gif)
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If someone was offering both I'd beg for the Vanguard.
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Didn't you bring this same subject up on another thread? I believe that it was only one month ago that you were slamming the Weatherby rifles and cartridges. It seems to me that you are trolling. Becareful what you troll for, you may catch something that will bite you. My son and I are big Weatherby Mark V fans and users along with hundreds of thousands of other hunters in the world, but I will admit that the Vanguard is a less desirable rifle. I would classify it in the JUNK rifle section.
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Funny coming from a guy who along with his offspring "slam" a certain bullet every chance they get. Even though "hundreds of thousands" of actual users disagree with their hair brained assessment.
Pot, kettle, black?
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Funny coming from a guy who along with his offspring "slam" a certain bullet every chance they get. Even though "hundreds of thousands" of actual users disagree with their hair brained assessment.
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Dont you remember, whitetail junkie's father isnt on here.....are you on drugs?
*Sarcasm Off*
As for the "Weatherby Advantage", well if you consider more FPS as an advantage, then its your choice. There are several options out there that compete very closely with a lot of the magnums for performance and efficiency. Choosing one often comes down to rifle configuration and plain old personal preferences.
I'm not a huge 'magnum' fan, but if I was building a faster .30 cal I would probably look at the 300WM or possibly the 300WSM or SAUM. I've never been a huge Weatherby fan myself (personal preference).
One fast cartridge thats hard not to like (although horribly expensive brass) is the 7mm Tomahawk by Lazzeroni. I shot a couple does last year and watched a friend shoot a huge bodied mule buck with his last year (lightweight custom Rem 700) and it was a very fun cartridge. I think he's getting 3400fps with 140 Accubonds.
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Dont you remember, whitetail junkie's father isnt on here.....are you on drugs?
*Sarcasm Off*
As for the "Weatherby Advantage", well if you consider more FPS as an advantage, then its your choice. There are several options out there that compete very closely with a lot of the magnums for performance and efficiency. Choosing one often comes down to rifle configuration and plain old personal preferences.
I'm not a huge 'magnum' fan, but if I was building a faster .30 cal I would probably look at the 300WM or possibly the 300WSM or SAUM. I've never been a huge Weatherby fan myself (personal preference).
One fast cartridge thats hard not to like (although horribly expensive brass) is the 7mm Tomahawk by Lazzeroni. I shot a couple does last year and watched a friend shoot a huge bodied mule buck with his last year (lightweight custom Rem 700) and it was a very fun cartridge. I think he's getting 3400fps with 140 Accubonds.
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should'nt you be protecting Canada's border Right now.hope your not at work surfing the net wasteing my tax dollars when you should be watching out for bin laddin???
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That was a really pointless post. But hey, whatever works for ya man.
I'll provide you with a full report on where I was at the exact minute I posted this post as well as any others in the future. Currently I am at home in my basement. Later today I have a workout scheduled (with your permission) and then I think I'll take my daughter out for a walk around Home Depot. Your tax dollars have nothing to do with my life thanks.
You made the original post about your father and got caught in a bit of a lie. I assumed you had a thick enough skin to take some light ribbing for it, I guess I was wrong?
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should'nt you be protecting Canada's border Right now.hope your not at work surfing the net wasteing my tax dollars when you should be watching out for bin laddin???
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Sorry guys this is funny. Vanguards are cheep for a reason. My buddies stock and trigger were junk.I will tell you I would never own one.
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Funny coming from a guy who along with his offspring "slam" a certain bullet every chance they get. Even though "hundreds of thousands" of actual users disagree with their hair brained assessment.
Pot, kettle, black?
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Yes Chuck, blood is thicker than whisky. You go hunt with your drinking buddies or alone, and I will hunt with my son. Go ahead and use your Barnes bullets,and you proved right that holes kill, "lots of holes" when using Barnes bullets. Here is another hole, you, an @zzhole.
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Yes Chuck, blood is thicker than whisky. You go hunt with your drinking buddies or alone, and I will hunt with my son. Go ahead and use your Barnes bullets,and you proved right that holes kill, "lots of holes" when using Barnes bullets. Here is another hole, you, an @zzhole. ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Pretty grown up response there Garry, I see where your son gets his manners from.
I guess If the Villemaires don't use it it must be "junk". Nevermind the thousands of testemonials in regards to excellent on game performance with Barnes bullets from across the world. Not to mention the many testemonials about Ballistic tip failures as well.....I got nothing against Nosler, i shoot lots of them.
Back to the original thread....Weatherby doesn't offer any real world advantages anymore with the amount of catridges available to us. They are however proven killers just like the rest of them...personal choice is all it is. So if you wanna hunt with an ugly, overpriced rifle thats your choice.....
P.S I think the Habs suck too!
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Pretty grown up response there Garry, I see where your son gets his manners from.
I guess If the Villemaires don't use it it must be "junk". Nevermind the thousands of testemonials in regards to excellent on game performance with Barnes bullets from across the world. Not to mention the many testemonials about Ballistic tip failures as well.....I got nothing against Nosler, i shoot lots of them.
Back to the original thread....Weatherby doesn't offer any real world advantages anymore with the amount of catridges available to us. They are however proven killers just like the rest of them...personal choice is all it is. So if you wanna hunt with an ugly, overpriced rifle thats your choice.....
P.S I think the Habs suck too!
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Funny coming from a guy who along with his offspring "slam" a certain bullet every chance they get. Even though "hundreds of thousands" of actual users disagree with their hair brained assessment.
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Chuck You still Flapping again about us.Guess your takeing it personal about The Barnes bullets hey.I'm still waiting to see those pics of yours TopGun.Your Just a talker Charles,thats it&thats all you ever will be.
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As we all know Weatherby cartridges for the most part will give you 200 +/- feet per second more depending on caliber. My question is this a big advantage? And second what other advantages would a Weatherby have?
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Not only for the velocity's in the weatherby cartridges,I like they way they weatherby rifles shoulder.(Monte carlo stock).Plus I collect Rifles that have beautiful figured wood,which alot of Mark V weatherby's have.
but like buddy said earlier a gun worth $1500 less that a wby MarkV will kill just as good,so each to there own.& personally I dont mind the wBy Vangaurd rifles.I think they only come with 24" barrels and only chamber a few of the weatherby cartridges.
For example I bought a 240 wby this winter in a MarkV,because weatherby does'nt chamber Vangaurds in a 240WBY. I could have saved $1000. if they did?
I'm not just going to post garbage on this thread,so this was my opinion on the subject,besides the Fact that Chucks big mouth was spouting off again
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