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Old 12-05-2013, 09:26 AM
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Controversial labour bills pass as Alberta unions fail to convince premier to create task force.


EDMONTON - A letter by major unions next in line to negotiate deals with the province failed to convince Premier Alison Redford to suspend debate on a pair of controversial bills in favour of sitting down to a task force on labour relations.

The legislature passed third reading of Bill 45 late Wednesday with a 33-8 vote. Bill 45 will significantly increase fines for unions engaged in an illegal strike. Bill 46, which eliminates binding arbitration and imposes a wage deal if the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees doesn’t negotiate a contract by Jan. 31, was also passed.

The Alberta Federation of Labour slammed the passage of the bills as anti-democratic. AFL president Gil McGowan expressed disappointment at both the content of the legislation as well as the speed at which the bills were passed.

“We’ve seen that when this government decides to go after you, you can expect anti-democratic legislation to be rammed through the legislature in a matter of days without any meaningful debate,” McGowan said. “This time they’ve taken aim at government workers. Who will be in their crosshairs next?”

AUPE president Guy Smith said he was pleased all the opposition members voted against the first bill.

“It’s a sign the government is isolated on these issues,” Smith said, adding the public doesn’t like the bills, either. “Even if they don’t support unions, they support free speech.”

Other unions also oppose the move.

“We strongly feel that bills 45 and 46 are unfair, uncalled for, unnecessarily confrontational and likely unconstitutional. As the unions ‘next in line’ for negotiations in the provincial public sector, we are concerned that these bills will cast a shadow over all current and upcoming bargaining sessions,” reads the letter signed by the presidents of the Alberta Federation of Labour, the United Nurses of Alberta, the Health Sciences Association of Alberta and the Canadian Union of Public Employees-Alberta.

Together, the UNA, HSAA and CUPE-Alberta represent roughly 86,000 workers in the province. The AFL is an umbrella organization representing 145,000 unionized workers across Alberta.

The government introduced both pieces of legislation a week ago, spurring three days of union protests at the steps of the Alberta legislature.

The first, Bill 45, also introduces penalties for strike threats, a provision that has garnered widespread condemnations from critics as an attack on free speech.

Bill 46, which only applies to the province’s negotiations with the Alberta Union of Provincial Employees, would eliminate the union’s ability to go to binding arbitration. Instead, the bill sets a negotiation deadline of Jan. 31, 2014, when a four-year wage deal with no increases for the first two years and one-per-cent increases in the next two years would be imposed.

“We are also concerned that, if passed, these bills will lead to a generation of poisoned labour relations in Alberta’s public sector,” reads the letter. “In an effort to avoid this obviously undesirable outcome, we would like you to consider our proposal to create a task force.”

Redford earlier this week defended the legislation as necessary to hold the line on public sector salaries, but said she would like to see AUPE come back to the bargaining table. She said she senses there’s an appreciation from public servants for her government’s efforts since the bills were introduced.

Neala Barton, Redford’s press secretary, said that the premier spoke to the AUPE leadership last week and “it was made clear to her that there was not a path forward, which is why we moved forward with the legislation.

“The reality is, there is still time to negotiate.”

The AUPE this week released documents showing the province had already agreed to binding arbitration when the bills were introduced. On Wednesday, the union appealed to Progressive Conservative MLAs to vote against the legislation.

“They can vote to support the working people in their constituency and protect free speech, or they can vote for bad-faith bargaining tactics and the attack on free speech in Bills 45 and 46,” AUPE president Guy Smith said in a written statement.

Smith said last week the union wouldn’t negotiate with the province if the bills become law.

Both pieces of legislation have moved through the legislative process quickly, as a result of a government motion that limited debate at each stage to two hours.

Alberta NDP Leader Brian Mason said the government’s efforts to limit the debate interferes with the responsibility for MLAs to represent their constituents.

“They are not only trampling on the rights of their own employees but they’re trampling on the rights of elected members of the assembly,” Mason said.

Liberal MLA Laurie Blakeman said the bills are about ideology, not government finances.

“They’ve been trying to union bust for a long, long time,” Blakeman said.

With files from Jodie Sinnema
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:34 AM
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Hey Allison...

Hear that?

That is the sound of my PC membership card burning...

I have never been one to stop to smell the roses....maybe I will now. The Wildroses.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:41 AM
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hay,,,, wait... I thought te general consensus here was that the lazy, overpaid, bloated civil service needed a good kick.

Wildrose dillema: What to do, what to do... I hate Redford but I hate civil servants too... LOL

This is a tame version of what some US states put into place (including breaking contracts) and that was praised to high heaven by many here. Remember?

Personally, I'm good with bigger fines for people who willfully break the law and impose hardship on the tax-paying public.
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Old 12-05-2013, 09:47 AM
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Only those providing essential service should ever be "forced" to work .... I'm not tearing up my card just yet, but will not be making any further donations if 45/46 come to pass. Tory blue is a bit like John Deere green, but would I buy a Kobuta -- maybe!
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:06 AM
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Only those providing essential service should ever be "forced" to work .... I'm not tearing up my card just yet, but will not be making any further donations if 45/46 come to pass. Tory blue is a bit like John Deere green, but would I buy a Kobuta -- maybe!
Ya...I hear ya 260. I am part of a unionized essential service. So we can't strike. And I am not in favour of illegal strikes anyway. But what really bugs my azz on this is the govt basically telling unions that if you don't like it, suck it. They are dispensing with a fair process. That is what arbtration is for: negotiating. If the two sides can't reach agreement, the arbitrator decides based on facts. The Reford machine has just trampled on that.

And I am also fully aware on the Wildrose stance on the public sector in the last election so I am not running to them with open arms either (hence why I said "maybe").

I should start my own party. A party for the disillusioned and disenfranchised...

The All Politicians Suck Party.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:09 AM
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:38 AM
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Loosening the unions grip on Albertan's wallets isn't a bad thing. If union guys aren't making enough money or don't like conditions go somewhere else like private sector people do. No sympathy from me.

Oh yeah, wasn't it the teachers union that got Alice in wonderland elected? ROFLMAO.

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I think alot of reason there is poor performance in government is the low pay compared to private sector for equaly educated and experienced individuals.

Guys like Harper and Flarherty could be pulling in millions as bankers or brass at big corporations.
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Old 12-05-2013, 10:02 AM
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Here in Soviet Socialist Republic of the Berta.....Workers Party
Is all powerful.....
If you wonder how the NDP will rise .....see all the unions vote for
Them. Manitoba teaches you nothing ....the commies are done there .
Any ship in a storm ....for us...
Really We...Albertans are ready for a Humiliating Spiral down the Crapper.
We can't stand success . Danielle on CBC this AM , man waffle , on the fence
I think that picket is lodged sideways . Just gave the Allison more rope ...

So 2015 .....minority for Wildrose with NDP ...12 seats.....they have
The power . Federally , Prime Minister JT....gives tax relief on Bong imports from
China....while equipping Sussex Dr. With Lava Lights....MP Rob Ford submits
Anti freedom of information act for all elected officials .
UN ...condemns Canada on all fronts ....though does give Kudos to
His eminence PM JT for putting a capital letter on the word Native in
National anthem .....As in " Our Home and Native lands "
10 million Canadian seniors claim political refugee status in Arizona in
Month of October. Another history lesson .
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hay,,,, wait... I thought te general consensus here was that the lazy, overpaid, bloated civil service needed a good kick.

Wildrose dillema: What to do, what to do... I hate Redford but I hate civil servants too... LOL
This is a tame version of what some US states put into place (including breaking contracts) and that was praised to high heaven by many here. Remember?

Personally, I'm good with bigger fines for people who willfully break the law and impose hardship on the tax-paying public.
I was wondering the same thing myself...

And... I'm not OK with government making people their pawns or changing laws to further their agenda at the expense of the people that THEY are elected to serve.

Organized labour is the only thing between the average worker and virtual slavery anymore.
This move is not only a blow to provincial employees...its a blow to every byb the hour worker in the provionce whether they like unions or not.

It is the precedent that will embolden and empower every employer to put the screws to their workforce.

The Regressive Conservatives need to go.
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Old 12-15-2013, 08:38 PM
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What about the folks who look after enforcing conservation on the resource we all are so passionate about. Anybody notice how the numbers of Albertans pursuing this resource have grown by several times in the last 50 years. These are government of AB employees. Haven't we all noticed how few and far between they have become. I think we all know how stretched they are. They are overworked and underpaid as it is. Good luck finding people to replace them. Good luck finding a whipping boy when all the resources have been poached, logged out and overdeveloped. Maybe instead of protecting the resources they should instead sell them and make something important like more money in the private sector. Why would anybody want to look after Albertans when they could just focus on themselves? We need to stick together to look after our resources. Do you work at a company that has a collective pension plan, medical plan, progressive discipline and benefiits. Guess what; you are basically a union. You know why this thread has carried on so long? Because people who work for you care about you. It's the craziest thing , I know... Enjoy it while you can, because our government puts buisness first, and they are setting such a fine example that people are starting to do the same. Enjoy the race to the bottom line, not the finish line.
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