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02-03-2018, 08:42 PM
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500 meter elk
How far would you shoot an elk with 6.5 creedmore, assuming you are use to shoot that distance and have a good rest? 500m, 800m
Any experience?
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02-03-2018, 08:57 PM
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Well if you want to stay above 1200 ft lbs of energy, limit your shots to about 450 yards.
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02-04-2018, 09:22 AM
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Well if you want to stay above 1200 ft lbs of energy, limit your shots to about 450 yards.
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1200's too little imo. 1600-1700 more like
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02-04-2018, 09:32 AM
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1200's too little imo. 1600-1700 more like
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Can you explain the science behind that?
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02-04-2018, 10:22 AM
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Looks kinda like this
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02-03-2018, 08:58 PM
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Anywhere beyond 300 yards would be a stretch for Elk sized Game. The 6.5 Creedmoor should not be considered a long range hunting cartridge under any circumstances.
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02-03-2018, 09:02 PM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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02-03-2018, 09:06 PM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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It's got a "cool" name. Good marketing
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02-03-2018, 09:10 PM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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I guess we are just old and stupid.lol In today's world, If a rifle is super light, shoots light bullets, doesn't recoil and ammo is everywhere it makes a perfect LR hunting tool. Unreal !
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02-03-2018, 09:18 PM
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I know where there are a couple 6.5x 55 Swedes and a 6.5-284, they won’t be replaced with a Creedmoore.
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02-04-2018, 09:19 AM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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02-04-2018, 01:44 PM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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The sole purpose behind the 6.5 Creedmoor is that is fits better in a short action rifle with high BC bullets than any other main stream 6.5 chambering. Shorter case, steeper shoulder angle...
Even if not going with high BC bullets the 6.5 Creedmoor makes good sense due to the seating depth latitude gained over a 260 Rem.
Velocity is close enough to be meaningless between the two. Same for killing effectiveness. As it stands today I would pick the Creedmoor. And I may put one together before next fall rolls around.
As far as distances and elk.... I'd spend more time worrying about steering bullets correctly in the wind at the mentioned distances than I would worrying about if the chambering/bullet is up to the task.
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02-05-2018, 10:43 PM
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I’m not sure if I’m thick headed or just old and stupid, personally I don’t see the fascination with the 6.5 creedmoore.
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X2 and now all of a sudden every 6.5 is catching one like wildfire! The creed won’t do anything a .260 rem can do and sure isn’t a .264 win mag
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02-03-2018, 09:49 PM
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Depends what your school of thought is on energy downrange. I like the 1000-1200ftlbs and no less than 1800fps on most bullets. Personally i like to keep my shots under 200 yards regardless what gun im using. I dont own a 6.5 creed but i have shot them they are nice flat shooting hardly any recoil. at my comfort ranges id shoot elk deer with them. I dont think id want to try punching thru an elk shoulder at 500yards with one. A nice available lung shot sure. It depends on your accuracy at those distances with any rifle/caliber
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02-03-2018, 10:03 PM
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Havent reached out past 400 yards on the range with mine so thats my limit. But did drop a bull elk on the spot at 370 2 years back, would have preferred he ran for a bit rather than rolling down the ravine lol
You shouldn't be shooting further than you are comfortable and efficient at regardless of how "nice" your target is or the caliber of rifle you have
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02-03-2018, 10:15 PM
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My 260imp passes through and kills deer at 440 yards just fine
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02-03-2018, 10:41 PM
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High bc is the creedmore's claim to fame. An excellent target round with low recoil. I have done plenty of long range shooting and hunting and found that to keep enough retained energy with acceptable (1/2 MOA) field accuracy for elk, 30 cal min, 300 win mag or equivalent or 338 cal. Those are enough to get a hunting bullet through an elk at the 500 m plus ranges, emphasis on the plus. As was previously stated, not great retained energy on the 6.5, which doesn't matter for paper, does matter going through bone etc. If you limit shots to 500 m, then you can push a 6.5 or 7mm round that far but shot placement is very critical, I have seen shoulder shot with a 6.5 at 540 m and go way to far before getting anchored with a 30 cal partition.
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02-03-2018, 11:29 PM
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Taking out all human error because that can happen with any rifle/bullet combo and I have never seen you shoot.
I would say it still depends on a few things...
1. Bullet weight your using
2. Speed
In other words ft/lbs
I have had a few Creedmoor and handloading one loved 2750 fps and the other one liked 2500 fps both in 143 gr bullets. The extra 250 fps really adds on to the yardage I felt comfortable at.
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02-04-2018, 01:07 PM
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High bc is the creedmore's claim to fame. An excellent target round with low recoil. I have done plenty of long range shooting and hunting and found that to keep enough retained energy with acceptable (1/2 MOA) field accuracy for elk, 30 cal min, 300 win mag or equivalent or 338 cal. Those are enough to get a hunting bullet through an elk at the 500 m plus ranges, emphasis on the plus. As was previously stated, not great retained energy on the 6.5, which doesn't matter for paper, does matter going through bone etc. If you limit shots to 500 m, then you can push a 6.5 or 7mm round that far but shot placement is very critical, I have seen shoulder shot with a 6.5 at 540 m and go way to far before getting anchored with a 30 cal partition.
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So what’s the claim with respect to BC with a .260 Rem, or a .264 Win Mag, or a 6.5x55?
And 1/2 MOA under field conditions, yup sure, if ya wanna blow smoke, step outside and have another dart!
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02-04-2018, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Daslogster
High bc is the creedmore's claim to fame. An excellent target round with low recoil. I have done plenty of long range shooting and hunting and found that to keep enough retained energy with acceptable (1/2 MOA) field accuracy for elk, 30 cal min, 300 win mag or equivalent or 338 cal. Those are enough to get a hunting bullet through an elk at the 500 m plus ranges, emphasis on the plus. As was previously stated, not great retained energy on the 6.5, which doesn't matter for paper, does matter going through bone etc. If you limit shots to 500 m, then you can push a 6.5 or 7mm round that far but shot placement is very critical, I have seen shoulder shot with a 6.5 at 540 m and go way to far before getting anchored with a 30 cal partition.
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Going to have to disagree with you about needing a .30 or bigger. Run the bullets through a reputable ballistics app. Quite frankly the case doesnt matter just look at the bullet and the velocity. I shoot a 168gr 7mm at 2950 from my 24in hunting rifle. I recently got a 300wsm because I wanted to be able to run the newer 212 grain bullets for better down range performance however when I ran the numbers in my ballistic app. At reasonable velocities inside of 500m the difference in energy and wind drift was negligible this is where 95% of hunting happens. Yes beyond 500m if you can start a 212 at least 2750 it will out perform my 168 7mm. So then I looked at what case could push the 212 grain at that speed. I don't think the 300wsm can do it why deal with the extra recoil for minimal gain in hunting rifle.
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02-03-2018, 10:21 PM
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Havent reached out past 400 yards on the range with mine so thats my limit. But did drop a bull elk on the spot at 370 2 years back, would have preferred he ran for a bit rather than rolling down the ravine lol
You shouldn't be shooting further than you are comfortable and efficient at regardless of how "nice" your target is or the caliber of rifle you have
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An Elk at 370 with the CM was doing really well. Nicely done.
Your last paragraph is bang-on as well. I just assume that all these guys that are talking it up shooting game at 700 yd plus can nail a pie plate all day long at that distance. No doubt, some can, but I think the majority should try it before they move on to practicing on Game at those ranges.
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