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Old 09-06-2020, 10:16 AM
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This is one of those kinds of info that is irritating to say the least. All from Mike Loberg, CCFR counsel;

I worked really hard to try to get the parties suing the government over the OIC to work together, because it’s important that we all provide consistent, non-contradictory evidence, and mutually supportive arguments.
Unfortunately one lawyer has decided that they won’t voluntarily let the other groups see the evidence they have served, but instead say they won’t cooperate with the other groups unless ordered to do so by a Federal Court judge. So much for cooperation on the pro-gun side.
I can’t force them to cooperate, that is unless I bring a court application against them to make them work with the other litigant groups, and I might do that, but it is worthy of note that there is one lawyer who just won’t cooperate.
You have to wonder whose side these people are on...

The CCFR case involves every aspect and angle we can deploy, without exception, and that includes literally hundreds of Access to Information Act requests. We expected to receive resistance to some requests, but this answer is, in technical legal terms, complete horse****.
Request: "On behalf of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights and Rodney Giltaca we request access to information related to Order in Council P.C. 2020-298, May 1, 2020 (the “Order in Council"), making the Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted on May 1, 2020 (the “Regulations"), and P.C. 2020-299, May 1, 2020, making the Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the “Amnesty Order"). In particular, we request that you provide us with electronic copies of the records below as they may be held by or otherwise available to the RCMP, including the Canadian Firearms Program, the Specialized Support Services Unit and the Commissioner of Firearms (collectively the “RCMP"): 1. All records, including but in no way limited to research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the use, and the effects of the use of handguns and assault-style firearms in Canada. The timeframe for this request is 2000 to present."
Note this is aimed at the RCMP, who run the Canadian Firearms Program, the Firearms Lab, and includes the Commissioner of Firearms....
...we asked for ALL electronic records "...including but in no way limited to research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the use, and the effects of the use of handguns and assault-style firearms in Canada".
That's for "...the use of handguns and assault-style firearms in Canada...".
...which is their job...
And their answer is...
...wait for it...
Response: "...Unfortunately, we were unable to locate records which respond to your request."

CCFR v Canada: RCMP Cover-up #2
Request: "On behalf of the Canadian Coalition for Firearm Rights and Rodney Giltaca we request access to information related to Order in Council P.C. 2020-298, May 1, 2020 (the “Order in Council"), making the Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted on May 1, 2020 (the “Regulations"), and P.C. 2020-299, May 1, 2020, making the Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the “Amnesty Order"). In particular, we request that you provide us with electronic copies of the records below as they may be held by or otherwise available to the RCMP, including the Canadian Firearms Program, the Specialized Support Services Unit and the Commissioner of Firearms (collectively the “RCMP???): 1. All records, including but in no way limited to research, analysis, results, discussion, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the roundtables held in Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, and Moncton, and any other Canadian municipalities, as referenced on page 59 of the Order in Council. The start date for this request cannot be identified as it is specifically directed at the statement in the Order in Council. The end date is May 1, 2020."
So this is for everything "...related to the roundtables held in Vancouver, Montreal, Toronto, and Moncton, and any other Canadian municipalities, as referenced on page 59 of the Order in Council."
The so-called firearm consultations...
Response: "...Unfortunately, we were unable to locate records which respond to your request."

CCFR v Canada: Department of Justice
Here's another Access to Information Act request and reply. This one tells you what the government of Canada is actually up to. Get ready to be really ****ed off...
This one is to the Department of Justice, the legal advisors to the government, Cabinet, and the Governor General...
Request: "Request access to information related to Order in Council P.C. 2020-298, May 1, 2020 (the “Order in Council”), making the Regulations Amending the Regulations Prescribing Certain Firearms and Other Weapons, Components and Parts of Weapons, Accessories, Cartridge Magazines, Ammunition and Projectiles as Prohibited, Restricted or Non-Restricted on May 1, 2020 (the “Regulations”), and P.C. 2020-299, May 1, 2020, making the Order Declaring an Amnesty Period (2020) (the “Amnesty Order”). In particular, we request that you provide us with electronic copies of the records below as they may be held by or otherwise available to the Department of Justice, including the Minister of Justice (the "DOJ"): 1. All records, including but in no way limited to research, analysis, policy papers, briefing reports, studies, proposals, presentations, reports, memos, letters, emails and any other communications related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council."
So this is for their research ".. related to the recommendations of the Minister of Justice to the Governor in Council, as referenced on pages 1 and 67 of the Order in Council..."
Get ready...
Reply: "...Pursuant to paragraphs 9(1)(a) and 9(1)(b) of the Access to Information Act, I hereby notify you that an additional 2,920 days are required to comply with your request. The extended period of time is required because the request necessitates a search through a large number of records and meeting the original time limit would unreasonably interfere with the operations of the Department...."
So their answer is "we'll get back to you in 8 years".
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