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Originally Posted by bessiedog

getting rid of 'the source...... travel' is ridiculously unrealistic.... we've been a daily globalized nation since 1500! Curtailing Int'l travel.... not a plausible in any scenario. Kindof a silly thing to hang your argument on to no?

Travel had caused every major disease spread since forever..... 1200-1300s plaugues of europe... small pox and the new world genocides..... spanish flu post ww1... yada yada


Making public school and university attendance require shots is a good solution to boosting herd thresholds to above 95% probably. People who don't vaccinate because its a 'rights issue' are not aware that their 'rights' are only there due to others being vaccinated...... that's NOT REALLY a natural deserved/derived right now is it...? It feels more like a "Imma social contract selfish leechy boi" thing.... yes? Do your bit... its not unreasonable.

You guys and your 'its my individual rights... nooooo!'.... yet we ALL live in a pretty socialist society. I love my individual rights as well..... I just see this 'rights sacrifice' as reasonable for the betterment of society. You and I disagree. And yes... I've stood up for my individual rights against society and suffered the consequences for it on more than one occasion..... so don;t play the 'imma commy' card here...


The outbreaks are indeed probably from a lowered threshold due to the interweb promoting 2 big things...

1. Lack of blind faith in our institutions and their recommendations . (which I'm not exactly against)
2. a lack of critical thinking and media/info parsing skills... something we all have generally never really needed to have..... or maybe we did, but mass consent manufacturing was more effective and we were all in 'bliss mode'.


bossguy... not ignoring you....Im reading this piece and not fishing for my bias to be confirmed like you may have been. I AM starting to think this paper does NOT support your conclusion and you cherry picked what you wanted to see out of this piece..... but I'm not a smart fellow and a slow reader of stuff like this.... plus I'm still sick and dat goose shoot just drained me man.

What I’m saying is that, even with mandatory vaccinations your going to have a similar number of outbreaks. Vaccines aren’t 100% effective, so even if everyone was vaccinated, you would still have outbreaks. It really amazes me that you’d be alright giving the government permission to inject you with anything. But not be alright with quarantining people(restricted to travel with high rates of disease) and drawing blood to see if they’re potential carriers of these diseases. I find the second option to be effective, with little to no risk. It’s also as plausible as ordering everyone to get vaccinated. As I already stated if the government forces vaccination, I will not get one, and will stand with others who refuse. Not a avenue we should go down IMO