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Old 10-09-2019, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cody c View Post
[url=https://flic.kr/p/2hsySQJ]

Rifle scopes with the following items are on the list

[url=https://flic.kr/p/2hsySQy]

These would be classified items as above, the exclusion is for unclassified as I understand. Essentially night vision and ballistic/ranging functions make them classified (as I read it). Feel free to back up any of your statements above with clips from the law.
You're getting hung up on the driving portion. That was just an example. The first paragraph in my first post specifically references shipping and that is the issue.

For those following, the quotes you took are from the United States Munitions List (USML) which defines the items that are prohibited for export under the International Traffic in Arms Regulations (ITAR) and actually prove my point. US Border patrol views firearms parts, including "electronic OR optical weapon positioning" i.e. scopes [emphasis added] as restricted.

As you pointed out, the USML includes a prohibition against

"(f) Riflescopes manufactured to military specifications (See category XII(c) for controls on night sighting devices.)"

Category XII which clarifies the excerpt above says:

"Category XII - Fire Control, Laser, Imaging, and Guidance Equipment
Fire control, aiming, detection, guidance, and tracking systems, as follows:

* (1) Fire control systems;

* (2) Electronic or optical weapon positioning, laying, or spotting systems;

* (3) Laser spot trackers or laser spot detection, location, or imaging systems, with an operational wavelength shorter than 400 nm or longer than 710 nm and that are for laser target designators or coded target markers controlled in paragraph (b)(1);"

For further clarification, you can see this document which specifically clarifies that basically all hunting optics are controlled items with respect to export (see page 40120)

11. In Supplement No. 1 to part 774,
Category 0, ECCN 0A987, revise the
heading and the ‘‘Items’’ paragraph of
the ‘‘List of Items Controlled’’ section to
read as follows:
0A987 Optical sighting devices for firearms
(including shotguns controlled by 0A984);
and parts (See list of items controlled).
* * * * *
List of Items Controlled
Unit: * * *
Related Controls: * * *
Related Definitions: * * *
Items: a. Telescopic sights.
b. Holographic sights.
c. Reflex or ‘‘red dot’’ sights.
d. Reticle sights.
e. Other sighting devices that contain
optical elements.
f. Laser pointing devices designed for use
on firearms.
g. Lenses, other optical elements and
adjustment mechanisms for articles in
paragraphs a, b, c, d or e. "

In other words, electronic and optical weapon positioning aka scopes, are prohibited from export to Canada (by land or mail) without completing the the proper American paperwork and procedures.

An example of the proper paperwork and procedures can be on Prophet River's website here where they go specifically mention Optics. For the record, I have no affiliation with Prophet River and have never used them. I just know that they are one of the few Canadian businesses that are willing to follow proper procedures and they charge for it because it's a lot of work and they are an FFL which I believe, but could not confirm, is one of the requirements.

Here's an article from the Canadian Firearms Blog that summarizes what I just said. The title says guns, but the content also mentions that optics are subject to the same restrictions.

Still have doubts? Call Prophet River Firearms and ask why they charge to import guns and gun parts (including scopes) or call Irunguns and ask why they have to ship to their own warehouse first before shipping to end users.

Still have doubts? Check out the many other threads on this subject from Hunting BC, Canadiangunnutz, or AO.

http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...ing-the-border
http://www.huntingbc.ca/forum/showth...scope-from-USA
https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/foru...oss-the-border
http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php?t=88574
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