James I play just a little hold em but when me and the guys up north played it was 20 buck buy in no additional buy ins ( losers made drinks etc) usually 6-8 of us winner took 100 2nd took 60 we usually had 2-3 games per nite so usually everyone made some cash...great fun usually I have sat nites off so if you ever are inclined I am all over that ( i have a decent set of chips etc also