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Originally Posted by 30Cal
I was using Plato because he was referring to the unseen things that would come to mind and then would be created by hand, so what was then in the conscious state would become real when manifested in the physical state. However, does this mean they were not real in the conscious state?
Like wise Biblical literature states "God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse." Rom 1:20
So at what point does it become real?
"The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going" and you can feel it so does this mean it's not real?
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But based on what you are saying, you must believe in what Plato says, in order to believe the conclusion. Your premise has no proof.
This is begging the question...
Here are some other examples
Examples of Begging the Question
Bill: "God must exist."
Jill: "How do you know."
Bill: "Because the Bible says so."
Jill: "Why should I believe the Bible?"
Bill: "Because the Bible was written by God."
"The belief in God is universal. After all, everyone believes in God."
Interviewer: "Your resume looks impressive but I need another reference."
Bill: "Jill can give me a good reference."
Interviewer: "Good. But how do I know that Jill is trustworthy?"
Bill: "Certainly. I can vouch for her."