15 ft for me behind the ball. Very rarely do we deviate from that. Maybe it's the lures we use I got away from the tube jig thing it went cold on me and I never went back. Now it's certain thin spoons with a single hook or a cut plug type rig that runs straight back. Some crankbaits that run flat work good too close to the ball but I don't use them in cold lake because they are a little hard on the fish when you have to release most of what you catch.
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