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Originally Posted by ram crazy
Have predators not been around as long the deer, elk, moose, goats, and sheep? Everyone talks about the good old days where there used to be lots of game. They have been logging and clear cutting areas for over a hundred years and even with logging the grass still grows as it get sunlight and water. I have seen lots of elk in these areas feeding. As far as predators go if they have been around as long as the ungulates why is it just now that we seem to think we have a problem with them. Do you seriously think that the no grizzly bear hunt has a lot to do with it, now remember when the grizzly hunt was still on it was very limited tags per zone and not all those tags were filled in those zones every year. I’m sure the cat numbers haven’t exploded either as they still have a hunt for them, same with the wolves. Trappers are still trapping are they not? If there were more ungulates back in the good old days wouldn’t that mean more predators, oh and back in the good old days there were also a way fewer hunters out there then there are today. Do you not think human pressure has something to do with the problem, and back in the good old days it was easier to access areas as well. Cutting down the ease of access mean less people going into some of these areas which in turn makes it easier on the predators.
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I’ve been thinking similarly to this. I have no doubt that there are many predator issues but if there are predators, there is game there. Those wolves etc are eating something. I truly believe that the recreational vehicles kill more ungulate offspring than anything. In these eastern slopes Rockies, there needs to be a season on access. May and June should be off limits to all ohvs, helicopters, rvs, mining/drilling etc. In the NPs I see way more game including predators and it appears to me that the only difference there is no recreational vehicles in large terrritories.