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Originally Posted by wwbirds

Not sure anything will be accomplished. if wildlife is endangered to the point of restricting harvest as Walking Buffalo mentioned 18 pages ago all meat and sport hunting will be shut down before native restrictions can be implemented. It is entrenched in the charter and we will probably see the implementation in Manitoba soon. Many other reasons it will not happen.

A cull hunt at Suffield or even cypress hills is not considered true hunting. I have seen a native hunting party come to cypress in orange coveralls and they were some of the most efficient hunters I have seen. While many other hunters lined the roads on Graburn and other coulees these guys were in and all around the various coulees in a push and block formation. Nothing was wasted and they filled a trailer with elk. Probably 8-12 young hunters hunting for the whole band. Suspect Suffield is exactly the same scenario maybe same players. Not the norm for sustenance hunting, this is a cull.

We have many indications on this forum that some non natives consider the natives inferior so will not discuss or negotiate what they feel is rightfullly something they are equally or rightfully entitled to.
Treaty rights werent written by natives but they sure arent going to sit down to assume the position they should lose anything.

If you think everyone in Canada is born equal you are either naive or uneducated. Natives women people with disabilities and visible minorities have been affected by societies prejudice for over a century.
People money get educated, people without money have to work harder tpo get an education and people in poverty seldom get an education without a hand up (not to be confused with a handout. Most natives are borninto poverty or at the very least the working class. Even with an education getting employment in the past has been difficult due to the "stigma" of being native. Many inherent native customs make it difficult for natives to do well at job interviews or even resumes.

We have another difficulty in negotiating. Every time a group of people sit down with natives and say we want to negotiate they get taken so there is an inherent distrust that negotiations will only better only the other sides positon. yes it is a us and them situation because that is what history has shown will happen.
Giving and taking is truly according to ones perspective. natives have been given the shaft on reserves, indian act, prejudiced indian agents, residential schools, abusive priests and nuns, small pox infected blankets and many other situations where someone said taking your children 700 miles away will be good for you.

natives have been taken for their land, customs, in many causes their language, religion and social values etc etc etc so federal payments and rights are not negotiable.
If you doubt this check into Temagami band claims in Ontario where the Federal government funded the band with 10 million dollars a year to fight the Province of Ontario for ancestral hunting and fishing grounds.
Like Walking Buffalo said many pages ago "we dont want to open some cans of worms"

Good post. Kind of puts things in perspective.