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KevGuy 01-24-2019 06:33 PM

Why do people say “weapon?”
 
Without going into a long story about how this got aroused in myself, I just wish people used “firearm” or at least “gun.” Not “weapon.” Sigh...

6.5 shooter 01-24-2019 07:06 PM

Military lingo...

"7.62 x 63 ain't no 30-06 son" from some movie

Scott N 01-24-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevGuy (Post 3918676)
Without going into a long story about how this got aroused in myself, I just wish people used “firearm” or at least “gun.” Not “weapon.” Sigh...

me too.

thumper 01-24-2019 07:49 PM

I've often wondered how I would answer a police officer, asking "Do you have any weapons in the house ?".

Hammers? Baseball bats? Knives? Screwdrivers? -- oh, do you mean firearms ?

Pathfinder76 01-24-2019 07:52 PM

Because that’s what it is. Why don’t people worry about things that matter?

icehunter 01-24-2019 08:24 PM

I just tell people that " a weapon is used in the commission of a offence" Other then that its just a knife,or frying pan or firearm.

calgarychef 01-24-2019 08:30 PM

This is going to be a long thread withnevrybody jumping in and arguing :)

I think a weapon is for killing people or defending yourselfl. I don’t hunt with weapons I hunt with firearms or a bow.

lannie 01-24-2019 08:51 PM

You need add certain intent for anything to become a weapon.

Salavee 01-24-2019 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3918722)
Because that’s what it is. Why don’t people worry about things that matter?

I totally disagree. A firearm , or a knife or a baseball or a knitting needle or a beer bottle becomes a weapon only when it is intended for use or is used in a destructive manner against an adversary.Anything can become a weapon.. even your pick-up. I too get upset when responsible firearms owners refer to their guns as weapons. No wonder the antis don't like them. We help attach the stigma that our firearms don't deserve. It's time to change that BS !

mattthegorby 01-24-2019 09:08 PM

What if you conceal carry an assault/sniper rifle, with a round chambered, in 6.5 Creedmoor (because 6.5X55 isn't as inherently accurate) while crossing through leased land without permission, during hunting season - without a tag - but you were only intending to go practice shooting, and you are leaning against your ATV as it idles in a creek?

(edit: and your picture is posted on AHA...)

Is it still not a weapon?

Salavee 01-24-2019 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mattthegorby (Post 3918773)
What if you conceal carry an assault/sniper rifle, with a round chambered, in 6.5 Creedmoor (because 6.5X55 isn't as inherently accurate) while walking through leased land without permission, during hunting season - without a tag - but you where only intending to go practice shooting, and you are leaning against your ATV as it idles in a creek?

Is it still not a weapon?

Not at that point it's not...but you may have to answer to someones'suspicions
and talk to another man in order to prove them wrong.

mattthegorby 01-24-2019 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salavee (Post 3918763)
I totally disagree. A firearm , or a knife or a baseball or a knitting needle or a beer bottle becomes a weapon only when it is intended for use or is used in a destructive manner against an adversary.Anything can become a weapon.. even your pick-up. I too get upset when responsible firearms owners refer to their guns as weapons. No wonder the antis don't like them. We help attach the stigma that our firearms don't deserve. It's time to change that BS !

In all seriousness, I agree that firearms owners should strategically talk about their firearms not as weapons and frame the conversation around sport shooting and hunting.

That being said, when others use the term weapon I feel it is counterproductive to argue with them. It just makes us firearms owners look like we are trying to be manipulative/irrational. It is just too easy to argue that firearms are weapons and you will never convince someone otherwise. Heck, many hunters/shooters call them weapons - not a mountain to die on.

mattthegorby 01-24-2019 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Salavee (Post 3918776)
Not at that point it's not...but you may have to answer to someones'suspicions
and talk to another man in order to prove them wrong.

Fair enough, I can agree with that.

Pathfinder76 01-24-2019 09:33 PM

Start watching at 3:00. Oh the horror.

https://youtu.be/x_6bNpwDIAc

HunterDave 01-24-2019 09:45 PM

They aren’t guns, they are rifles. Get it right numbnutz! :sHa_sarcasticlol:

https://youtu.be/4kU0XCVey_U

dickthomson 01-24-2019 11:00 PM

A second for military lingo. Right or wrong if it’s a term you hear used to describe everything from a sniper rifle to a machine gun the it becomes ingrained in your brain and hard to shake. Also the term “gun” dose not refer to your grandpa’s model 99 that is a term for an artillary piece. I continually have to tell my self to refer to firearms as such or “guns” when talking to people who are not of a military background

6.5 shooter 01-24-2019 11:35 PM

Guns belong on battle ships....or artillery.. the horror! As soon as your say weapon it becomes a verb :sHa_sarcasticlol:

Pathfinder76 01-25-2019 12:11 AM

Where exactly is this a problem. The water cooler, church, school, the bleachers? Where is this hate speech happening so abundantly? Seriously, is this a large scale issue?

Scott N 01-25-2019 04:18 AM

The police have patrol carbines, and when the public owns the exact same rifle, it's called an assault weapon. These words are used intentionally to influence the uninformed in Canada.

wally338 01-25-2019 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3918722)
Because that’s what it is. Why don’t people worry about things that matter?

^like^

58thecat 01-25-2019 05:38 AM

Who cares....weapon, long gun, short gun, just lingo....words....meh

58thecat 01-25-2019 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HunterDave (Post 3918796)
They aren’t guns, they are rifles. Get it right numbnutz! :sHa_sarcasticlol:

https://youtu.be/4kU0XCVey_U

I like Cat's version......rifffles.:)

Pathfinder76 01-25-2019 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott N (Post 3918858)
The police have patrol carbines, and when the public owns the exact same rifle, it's called an assault weapon. These words are used intentionally to influence the uninformed in Canada.

This is a media problem, not a gun owner problem.

catnthehat 01-25-2019 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58thecat (Post 3918867)
I like Cat's version......rifffles.:)

Riffles, bangsticks, shotty's, weapons, guns, whatever.
I know the term "12 bore" gets some people choked , but I use that often when referring to an English made shotgun, not so much guns from other countries however, because that is what they call them over there.
Like Chuck said, it's more a media thing than anything else.

It's not like someone is calling a Mossberg a Remington!:confused:
Cat

Scott N 01-25-2019 08:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3918890)
This is a media problem, not a gun owner problem.

Agreed, but it's also the same terminology the police use, to the word.

bobtodrick 01-25-2019 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3918722)
Because that’s what it is. Why don’t people worry about things that matter?

'Firearms' weren't invented to compete in the Olympics.
They were invented by the Chinese to kill an enemy.

Sashi 01-25-2019 12:11 PM

Cowboy's never had weapons they had 6 guns and rifles.

Salavee 01-25-2019 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 3918849)
Where exactly is this a problem. The water cooler, church, school, the bleachers? Where is this hate speech happening so abundantly? Seriously, is this a large scale issue?

Look around. All the anti gun crap is fired up when guns are used as weapons.

Nobody really likes weapons. Like someone mentioned previously, "weapon" is a verb. AFIK, a gun or firearm are nouns. Different meanings altogether.

..and yes it is a large scale issue. You just don't see it.

Pioneer2 01-25-2019 01:13 PM

It's Like This
 
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...48533700759008

SylverCANADA 01-25-2019 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevGuy (Post 3918676)
Without going into a long story about how this got aroused in myself, I just wish people used “firearm” or at least “gun.” Not “weapon.” Sigh...

Because that’s what it is...the primary purpose of a firearm has been to kill.


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