Shotgun pattern for ethical coyote kill
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I got a new Stoeger M3500 shotgun to assist my Tikka T3 .204 Varmint when there are close range coyotes, because even a 32 Gr. Hornady vmax in .204 can make a pretty big entrance hole at 15-30 yards. I have shot some different loads on paper to see patterns and was wondering how many inches is acceptable for a pattern to make a ethical kill. I used Hornady BB mag coyote and Hornady 00 Mag coyote. I also want to try some #4 buck Hornady varmint but haven't had a chance yet. These pics are with 2 different chokes and 2 different loads. I see Les Johnson use both in his videos but I think he uses the BB more and in his videos he reaches 40-50 yards which I kinda think is a max distance for a shotgun, ethically. Thoughts...
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I think that Les Johnson guy uses a full choke... Would tighten those patterns up a bit more, thus extending the range...
50 yds with the BB, 65 yds with the 00 buck. |
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I called Stoeger to ask if there is a difference between tungsten lead and steel and they said yes it is in a catagory by itself. They said that improved modified is the tightest to go with tungsten and the box of ammo says to use Imp cyl. or Modified.
I asked les and he said the versatite wad does the work but you need to pattern your shotgun. He said he used a modified on his last 2 doubles. The m3500 comes with 4 chokes but not the Imp. Mod....I might have to get the Imp. Modified just to see. |
The mod choke is probably your best bet if you are running the hornady stuff as it says right on the box that imp or mod is prefered. I have found the hornady coyote bb and 4s to be really good on coyotes.
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Les' reply to my questions
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I asked Les 2 questions about his favorite Hornady load and shot placement for shotgun and took a screenshot of his reply. Great guy always willing to answer questions from beginner to pro.
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I have always found in interesting-no sarcasm in the slightest-that people are worried about 'ethical' kills on varmint control.
Gophers are most commonly preferred to be hit with vapourizing(fast, ethical death) effect, yet 'yotes get special consideration. If not saving the pelt, I am curious why this animal doesn't just get vapourized as well. It is, in effect, not different than a gopher. It is a creature that has become decidedly inconvenient. When the decision is made to kill out of 'convenience', I am curious why it matters how it dies. In this case, I am assuming the use of shotgun for land restriction reasons, but maybe I am mistaken. Otherwise, the badder the delivery of the round, the better. I am miles and miles from animal rights stuff but I am also miles and miles from being a 'let's kill sh!t and cheer over it' kind of guy. I really am just curious. |
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Over 4000fps. Lol |
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Thanks fordevr. I am oblivious with regards to 'pelting'. I would not have thought that a shotgun could be pelt friendly....ever.
As for your comment about mosquitos....when I become dictator, they will all be killed off. Slowly. Wing by wing, leg by leg. Bats, dragonflies and spiders can find something else to munch on! |
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Best I've seen are the federal buck shot with the flight control wad.
Shot out of a 20 in smooth bore gives a nice 8-10 inch group at 40 yards. Make sure the box says flight control wad. Law enforcement rounds have the same thing only tactical on the box and reduced recoil with only 8 pellets instead of 9 Hope that helps |
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if you're selling them, the people who buy DO NOT like shotgun dogs.
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This guy is the master at 12gauge coyotes and Hornady had him help develope the hornady coyote load. he wouldn't shotgun em if it wrecked the fur.
https://youtu.be/hKTtAWWbsvo |
If you want something that will hold a REAL tight pattern to 60 yards, try a PatternMaster Extended Choke. I have one that came with a Beneli I bought. I patterned it the other day, it will pattern everything from lead target loads in #8,6,4 to Steel BB at 100% inside a 20" circle at 40 yards. That is WAY tighter than any normal full choke.
The PatterMaster is a zero contrition choke, effectively a cylinder bore, so you can shoot any kind of lead or steel, tungsten etc through it in 2 3/4,3 or 3 1/2". The only thing they don't handle is slugs because there are ears in the choke that strip the wad away as it leaves the barrel. I have shot this choke on a pattern board and on trap. It completely smokes clays out past 50 yards with #8 target loads. I will be interested to see what it does on birds. https://www.patternmaster.com/ |
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This is the load I was "refurring" too. Lol pun intended
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Try some federal buckshot with the flight control wad.
Keeps the pattern at 8-10 inches at 30 yards with no choke and a 18 inch barrel |
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I few larger pellets i.e. #4 buck or 0 buck is better than several smaller shot like BB. Either way go for the head shot and hope you don't damage the grotzen. |
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The only real reason that Les uses a shot gun is because that it makes great footage when they are close to the camera. A shotgun makes the moving hits easier when they are in your face. I've successfully hunted coyotes since before I could drive. I'm 35 now. I tried carrying a shotgun for a season and I can tell you that it's not worth it. The extra gun is a pain in the arse. It's far easier to stop them at 150 yards and make them dead.
I'm also a fur buyer and can tell you for a fact that a shotgun killed coyote does not sell as well as one shot with a 223. Most buyers will miss the shotgun damage but the auction fur graders don't. The pellets cut the hair, so instead of a single bullet cutting hair now you have 30+ bb's acting like a three year old with a pair of scissors. |
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