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Walleye Draw and Undersubscribed
Being the first year getting back into fishing here in Alberta I have been reading almost everything posted in this forum so when the thread started with the release of the draw information for Walleye fishing this year I was obviously curious.
So what I have gathered is that you have to pay just to put your name in for the chance of keeping some, with no guarantee that you will get your name called. Not only that you have to choose what size fish you will keep as well ... so if I chose a class B and caught a tank I would have to release it. I have no idea what the priority for the next year means ... but a guess would be that if you did not get your tag this year you have a "better" chance of getting one next year? Now today I have gotten an email talking about the undersubscribed applications for a couple lakes that did not sell out their set amount of licenses (I assume) but it does not say anything in the email about class. Does that mean that with an undersubscribed tag you can keep whatever you catch (to the limit) or does it mean you wont know what class you can get till you actually get to the "store" and buy one? I am curious to know the idea behind the classes ... I guess thinking logically someone could pay for a tag and never catch the size requirement to fill that tag there for releasing every fish they caught, and over all slightly limiting the number of total fish being kept from the lake, but I would also think the same thing would be accomplished by just lowering the total number of tags. Either way it seems like a fairly convoluted task to be able to cook up a couple little fishies ... I am assuming they are some tasty or people wouldn't kick up a fuss when they did not get their tags for the year. I look forward to catching my first walleye (even though I need to release it) perhaps I will learn what what I can and try for tags another season but it also seems like the lakes for retaining walleye are pretty limited in the south. Look forward to hearing what everyone has to say ... I enjoy the sharing of knowledge here (except for fishing spots of course) |
There are 3 classes of tags.
Class A: 50+ cm, you get 2 tags(2 fish) Class B: 43-50 cm, you get 3 tags Class C: Under 43 cm, you get 3 tags In order to get tags you pay to enter the draw. I haven't done so so I don't know the particulars down pat regarding the priorities but ultimately you put in what lakes and classes you hope to get. If you get drawn for a lake you get the tags. If not you get nothing. If there are not enough entrants into the draw system then there is undersubscribed tags available(for example if there is 400 class C tags for Pigeon but only 200 people had Pigeon Class C as a tag choice then there would be 200 undersubscribed class C tags available. You can purchase undersubscribed tags directly(no draw bs). Unfortunately this year(and probably from now on) only class C undersubscribed tags are available. |
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It doesn't seem like you can even try for two different sizes in the same lake either ... you only have one draw choice but three lake choices. (Least that's what it looks like when filling out the form) |
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Regarding the priority it appears that if you are not picked your chances do somehow improve the next round(not sure in what way as it doesn't explain it). New entrants and previous entrants have the same priority. Groups have priority equal to the person with lowest priority(so if they have a new or previous winner the whole group will have the lowest priority(0) so if you haven't been picked for a few years don't keep applying in groups with people that have been previously picked or are new entrants). Maybe someone can correct me if I am wrong on either of those interpretations but I believe that is how it would work based on what I am seeing. |
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can u buy undersubscribed tags online. I have'nt been able to figure it out
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That would be potentially $3.75 For A + $3.75 For B + $3.75 For C A tags are drawn first then B then C. Once you have been drawn they remove your name from all subsequent drawing that year. So if you really want B tags don't put in for A because if you get drawn for A you will become ineligible for B and C. |
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First step in reserving you undersubscribed C tags. This costs 3.35. Then you can pickup the tags or have them mailed to you. Once you know the tag numbers you can go online and pay to have the tags activated. http://www.mywildalberta.com/BuyLice...tLicences.aspx |
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I will stick with catch and release for now ... especially since pigeon is further away than I would like to go to fish from shore. |
This is something I didn't realize either(that you have to put in a draw for each size). Just another reason for me not to support this program.
I will spend the extra money to drive up to Slave or out to SK etc for a walleye before I support this draw. |
17 " inch .....
Screw off with this size class I'll be throwing my tags in the trash! keep the 3.75 stock a trout in lake for me thx😊
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^Agreed, when the other option is to close the lake to retention the draw allows some harvest to take place. To many fisherman, not enough water and a unique solution to limit harvest.
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https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&sourc...NBfcN2YpIE-mbQ |
I got drawn two years ago for "c" didn't get drawn last year but got "B" this year
It's sll good as far as I am concerned . Didn't stop me from fishing lakes and rivers where I could keep fish , and I didn't fish any less on my " home " lake , I just released them all . Cat |
Smoke lake...
Smoke and Ioesgun buddy caught a 5lber this winter most were of the 20-24 inch range ok not huge but not a bad average size
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I just don't like the draw system because I think it is unnecessary. Just like the southern lakes now they never had reduced limits on most of these lakes they went from higher limits to closed to tags. Nowadays most of the tag lakes are overrun with walleye and there are multiple other lakes closed to walleye fishing even though they have very healthy populations. You can't try to tell me having a limit of 1 on each of these lakes or doing a max fish per year type system like some other places do for certain fish(bc for steelhead, la ronge for lakers as examples) wouldn't work because neither system has been tried. The current system does work but I just choose note to support it for the above reasons and because there are still lakes where it is easy enough to get a walleye fill if you want one. |
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Alberta and compare to these provinces. It is night and day with Alberta averaging 100 times the anglers. These same arguments are brought up every year. I think everyone would prefer not to buy or use tags but they are trying to limit "in season" not for a season limits. Some might recall the experience of a 1 fish per day limit on certain lakes was a fail. So tags were created to try to limit in season for the lakes that could sustain it. RY, with all your posting on this subject and not wanting to participate or agree, fine. You don't have to keep posting about it. Weird thing is you were asking earlier about under scribed tags...but you don't support tags...not on the fence at all huh... :) At least have the conviction to not participate at all if you don't agree with it, and, hopefully leave it alone for those that are fine with it. |
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You can't argue the systems wouldn't work when they have never been tried... AB went from high limits to closed to tags, never once were low limits implemented on lakes with already existing healthy populations...
The AB fishery way, fish the lake out then try to fix it... I might believe the arguments if fisheries didn't constantly screw up lakes like Wabamun for example... They have done the same thing on multiple lakes and they still never learn their lessons... |
The FWIN reports seem to still be showing a reduction in populations or at best remaining constant (within the same confidence intervals) for those lakes on a draw. If populations are not recovering under the draw due to low recruitment they cannot withstand increased harvest you would see with restrictive limits of even 1 fish per angler. Angling pressure appears to be just to high. Seems to make sense to me as it has been described by the regional bios.
Wish the Province would provide more money for increased test netting but if a lake can only be sampled between 5-10 years I would rather a conservative approach be taken than having the fishery totally collapse. |
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These same bios will tell you that based on their netting nothing is wrong with Wab yet anyone that actually fishes the lake knows there is a serious issue there now. I offered to send the Wab biologists pictures of over 200 wab pike from last year to prove it but they couldn't be bothered to look at them so either knew I was right or just don't care... The key aspect to having a reduced limit system is that the lakes first have to be healthy. You can't start out with lakes that have hurting populations and you can't have half the lakes closed and wonder why a reduced limit doesn't work on the other lakes. It needs to be done as a system and it has never been used in AB so as I said before there is no evidence in any way shape or form to back up a claim that it wouldn't work. Their new minimum size limits work on many lakes such as Buck and there are plenty of healthy walleye in there although yes you will have to work hard to get a keeper. All the draw system has done is shifted a lot more pressure on the few lakes that you can keep walleye at and soon they will close all them and may or may not put tags in place. It is a catch 22 system that may help one lake but it hurts multiple others. |
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This is a post about underscribed tags and you are taking it over, like so many other topics on this forum. |
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It just means that of you have differing opinions. Everybody lease keep this thread civil and on topic or I will intervene. Cat |
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Yes this is a bit of a tangent but it is on the same topic and I believe the OP's questions have all been answered. If not he or someone else is welcome to ask for further clarification. |
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I believe that the Bios are doing the best job they can given limited resources and really do want to see seasons opened. I know that the hope was a season would be opened on Crawling (given the anecdotal reports of large catches) but the science and sampling just did not support it at this time. They continue to sample these systems in order to determine when they can be opened. If they truly wanted them to remain closed they would focus their attention elsewhere. |
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