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Pathfinder76 07-10-2019 10:50 PM

Arbor press?
 
I’m thinking of going to L.E. Wilson seaters and am looking at an arbor press. Looked at the Sinclair and K&M but am wondering if I could get into something cheaper by buying up here. Any suggestions? Thanks.

double gun 07-10-2019 11:08 PM

Nevermind

260 Rem 07-10-2019 11:14 PM

When I started using Wilson In-Line seaters, I bought this one from Busy Bee Tools. I think I ordered it online and had it delivered to their north Edm store. It was on sale and cost about $75.00 at the time.
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0H3RGGy/1-B745...-EAEBDD2-D.jpg

Pathfinder76 07-10-2019 11:17 PM

Thanks.

260 Rem 07-10-2019 11:21 PM

I should add ... when I purchased the Wilson in-lines, I tried two types...the stainless units with a micrometer top ... and the “regular”. If you look at the picture, a micrometer model is on the press, and a standard is behind to the right. I recommend the one with the micrometer top as it is much easier to use....especially when tinkering with different bullets.

WhiteTailAB 07-11-2019 06:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 260 Rem (Post 4000006)
When I started using Wilson In-Line seaters, I bought this one from Busy Bee Tools. I think I ordered it online and had it delivered to their north Edm store. It was on sale and cost about $75.00 at the time.
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0H3RGGy/1-B745...-EAEBDD2-D.jpg


Can't find this one on busy bee, wonder if its discontinued?

Pathfinder76 07-11-2019 06:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB (Post 4000039)
Can't find this one on busy bee, wonder if its discontinued?

It looks to be.

DLab 07-11-2019 08:37 AM

https://i.imgur.com/YCU4Vpv.jpg

Cheap is my middle name.I made this for my Wilson dies for BR cartridges,7/8-14 bolt shortened and faced off,drilled,tapped and Loctited a 1/2'' bolt into the top for ease of threading into press.Doing this again I would turn the bolt head to a thinner dimension,but this works.
Screw it in from the under side of my Rockchucker ,remove the shell holder from the ram,hold the die with the base on top of the ram(as shown in 260's image) and raise the ram,die to contact base of bolt head.
Once I pick up enough range brass and smelt them into ingots for the scrap dealer,:)I'd consider the 21st. Century Arbor press.
Although Sinclair runs package deals some times for Arbor press's and Wilson dies.
The Bald Eagle has been discontinued for a while now.

double gun 07-11-2019 08:49 AM

^ heck of an idea. Quick and cheap.

WhiteTailAB 07-11-2019 08:50 AM

Sinclair's is 109.99usd so about $150cad, plus duties shipping etc

Damn this dollar

qwert 07-11-2019 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLab (Post 4000079)
https://i.imgur.com/YCU4Vpv.jpg

Cheap is my middle name.I made this for my Wilson dies for BR cartridges,7/8-14 bolt shortened and faced off,drilled,tapped and Loctited a 1/2'' bolt into the top for ease of threading into press.Doing this again I would turn the bolt head to a thinner dimension,but this works.
Screw it in from the under side of my Rockchucker ,remove the shell holder from the ram,hold the die with the base on top of the ram(as shown in 260's image) and raise the ram,die to contact base of bolt head.
snip

The Lee Classic Cast press has a 1 1/8”OD hollow ram with 1”x20 threaded ID to hold a standard / universal shell holder adapter (or 50BMG shell holder) in the top of the ram.
The frame top is threaded 1 ¼”x12, and comes with a hard bushing for 7/8”x14.

IMHO, they are a VERY good design, and have a 4.5” tall opening that will handle seating long bullets in long cases (like 338LM & 50BMG) and Redding Comp seaters with fully guided case holders.
(The RCBS classic has a 1” OD ram and 3 5/8” high opening; the RCBS Supreme has a 1” OD ram and 4 ¼” high opening)

I like the CC well enough to sell all my Lyman and RCBS presses and purchase several CC, which I have fixed to my work station and mounted on flat plates for portable use clamped to any solid surface.

I turned several custom ram heads for Wilson dies and other tasks.
The custom ram heads have different lengths and head shapes.
A 2” dia flat surface is handy for holding lead muffins for hardness testing.
I made the ram heads in various lengths to best position the available leverage.
A true arbor press will have more consistent leverage throughout its stroke, but I suspect my setup has more force available in a smaller area of its total stroke.

I have faced both ends of 7/8”x14 & 1 ¼”x12 gr8 bolts to thread into the top frame of the press.
Similar gr8 bolts were bored for specific needs like punching BP wads and push through boolit sizing.

A lathe is a very handy tool.

Good Luck, YMMV.

DLab 07-11-2019 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB (Post 4000095)
Sinclair's is 109.99usd so about $150cad, plus duties shipping etc

Damn this dollar

Yup,I can get a Lee CC press for about the same cost and do everything else Qwert mentions below.The 6.5 CM Wilson inline seater is just a hair too long for my RC Supreme using 143 ELD-X's.
Wilson also makes Microtop dies for a standard press but I like their inline's,in a pinch you can also seat bullets by hand using them.
In the end though ,an Arbor press is more convenient.

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwert (Post 4000181)
The Lee Classic Cast press has a 1 1/8”OD hollow ram with 1”x20 threaded ID to hold a standard / universal shell holder adapter (or 50BMG shell holder) in the top of the ram.
The frame top is threaded 1 ¼”x12, and comes with a hard bushing for 7/8”x14.

IMHO, they are a VERY good design, and have a 4.5” tall opening that will handle seating long bullets in long cases (like 338LM & 50BMG) and Redding Comp seaters with fully guided case holders.
(The RCBS classic has a 1” OD ram and 3 5/8” high opening; the RCBS Supreme has a 1” OD ram and 4 ¼” high opening)

I like the CC well enough to sell all my Lyman and RCBS presses and purchase several CC, which I have fixed to my work station and mounted on flat plates for portable use clamped to any solid surface.

I turned several custom ram heads for Wilson dies and other tasks.
The custom ram heads have different lengths and head shapes.
A 2” dia flat surface is handy for holding lead muffins for hardness testing.
I made the ram heads in various lengths to best position the available leverage.
A true arbor press will have more consistent leverage throughout its stroke, but I suspect my setup has more force available in a smaller area of its total stroke.

I have faced both ends of 7/8”x14 & 1 ¼”x12 gr8 bolts to thread into the top frame of the press.
Similar gr8 bolts were bored for specific needs like punching BP wads and push through boolit sizing.

A lathe is a very handy tool.

Good Luck, YMMV.


qwert 07-11-2019 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLab (Post 4000281)
Yup,I can get a Lee CC press for about the same cost and do everything else Qwert mentions below.The 6.5 CM Wilson inline seater is just a hair too long for my RC Supreme using 143 ELD-X's.
Wilson also makes Microtop dies for a standard press but I like their inline's,in a pinch you can also seat bullets by hand using them.
In the end though ,an Arbor press is more convenient.

Another option is a Forster Benchrest or Redding Comp in-line seater in your existing press.
https://www.forsterproducts.com/prod...t-seater-dies/
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...aspx?rrec=true

Redding Comp seaters
https://www.redding-reloading.com/on...et-seating-die
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...prod38694.aspx

and Redding Comp bushing neck dies are very similar to the Forster BR as all use a sliding chamber to positively align the case and bullet.
(not your typical 'hunter class' NK die).
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...rod103416.aspx

(PS, my recommendation is a Forster BR or Redding Comp seater, with a Lee Collet Neck die (which also has a sliding case alignment system), and Redding body die & Comp shell holder set.)

Good Luck, YMMV.

DLab 07-12-2019 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwert (Post 4000341)
Another option is a Forster Benchrest or Redding Comp in-line seater in your existing press.
https://www.forsterproducts.com/prod...t-seater-dies/
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...aspx?rrec=true

Redding Comp seaters
https://www.redding-reloading.com/on...et-seating-die
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...prod38694.aspx

and Redding Comp bushing neck dies are very similar to the Forster BR as all use a sliding chamber to positively align the case and bullet.
(not your typical 'hunter class' NK die).
https://www.brownells.com/reloading/...rod103416.aspx

(PS, my recommendation is a Forster BR or Redding Comp seater, with a Lee Collet Neck die (which also has a sliding case alignment system), and Redding body die & Comp shell holder set.)

Good Luck, YMMV.

Have or have had all the above,along with some Whidden's.Even the Hornady seater dies do a adequate job.It's the sizing die that controls the runout,then the seaters can do their job.
But this takes it off the rail from the OP of Arbor press's.
Thanks for the suggestions though.

bwinchg 07-12-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 260 Rem (Post 4000006)
When I started using Wilson In-Line seaters, I bought this one from Busy Bee Tools. I think I ordered it online and had it delivered to their north Edm store. It was on sale and cost about $75.00 at the time.
https://i.postimg.cc/Y0H3RGGy/1-B745...-EAEBDD2-D.jpg


https://www.grizzly.com/products/Bal...r-Press/BE1001 In US dollars,

WhiteTailAB 07-12-2019 01:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwinchg (Post 4000663)

Tried to add it to my cart, they don't ship that press to Canada.

6.5 shooter 07-12-2019 09:31 PM

I bought the Wilson / Sinclair package. good deal got it on sale...Also bought a used one here or on another site...Why I need two I don't know but I am a sucker for good products and good deals..LOL

WhiteTailAB 07-12-2019 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter (Post 4000847)
I bought the Wilson / Sinclair package. good deal got it on sale...Also bought a used one here or on another site...Why I need two I don't know but I am a sucker for good products and good deals..LOL

If ya got a spare arbor press ya wanna part with lemme know.

The 300wsm package is backorderable. Ugh

bwinchg 07-15-2019 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB (Post 4000671)
Tried to add it to my cart, they don't ship that press to Canada.

Contact Tina, ord@grizzly.com. I confirmed by email, they can ship this item to Canada :

We are able to ship to Canada via UPS,

BE1001 BALD EAGLE MINI ARBOR PRESS $74.95 USD

This shipping rate does not include duties, taxes or brokerage costs. Brokerage rates for personal shipments (shipments not delivered to a business) ,

Shipping (via UPS Standard): $19.95 USD + 13.25
CAD (brokerage) :)

WhiteTailAB 07-15-2019 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bwinchg (Post 4001855)
Contact Tina, ord@grizzly.com. I confirmed by email, they can ship this item to Canada :

We are able to ship to Canada via UPS,

BE1001 BALD EAGLE MINI ARBOR PRESS $74.95 USD

This shipping rate does not include duties, taxes or brokerage costs. Brokerage rates for personal shipments (shipments not delivered to a business) ,

Shipping (via UPS Standard): $19.95 USD + 13.25
CAD (brokerage) :)

Thanks man!

catnthehat 07-15-2019 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB (Post 4001922)
Thanks man!

Nononono!!:confused0068:
Do NOT ship UPS!!
They have a habit of charging extra brokerage fees on top of those quoted
Cat

6.5 shooter 07-15-2019 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WhiteTailAB (Post 4000877)
If ya got a spare arbor press ya wanna part with lemme know.

The 300wsm package is backorderable. Ugh

Sorry WT but Dlab scooped it

WhiteTailAB 07-15-2019 08:39 PM

Seems like I'm going to Sinclair, the simplest solution lol

Pathfinder76 07-15-2019 09:09 PM

K&M might be worth a look.

DLab 07-15-2019 09:44 PM

Just loaded some 6 BR. rounds with the Sinclair unit I got from 6.5 Shooter,it sure gives you a much nicer feel of the bullet seating with a better sense of neck tension.
A very smooth running piece of kit,quite a difference from a single stage press in terms of "feel" in bullet seating.
I'm sure the K&M is a quality press ,most of their tools are top of the line.
The 21st. Century standard press also with both being in the same price range.
I own 21st. Century tooling,it doesn't get much better in terms of quality and design.
http://www.xxicsi.com/arbor-press.html


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