Here is pic of Big Lawton action bolt with
our 585HE case in it.Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/law585bolt.jpg |
There are guys on Castboolits forum experimenting with
locking on plastic bases securely on slugs. Making their own front heavy ones for smoothbores. Here is picture of our 585BB case next to long 585HE. http://www.gunownerstv.com/585bb.jpg Here is another view of the great camo job on the 585HE Enfield, a top view. Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/camo-en2.jpg |
About the local fellow here making 375 wildcat with our 585 case-
Hello Mr. Hubel, We just got back on Saturday from competing at the King of 2 Miles Match in New Mexico. We won! I came in first shooting my rifle (the one I brought over and showed you), chambered in .375 Lethal Magnum, the round I designed based off of your case. I’m attaching a bunch of pictures, feel free to post any of them that you want. I do have one picture of the screen of the camera system looking at the 2500-yard target. The hit farthest to the left and the hit farthest to the right were my 1st and 2nd shots. I’m getting more interest in this cartridge now that the results from this match are spreading across the web. Happy 4th! Take care, Mitchell Fitzpatrick Lethal Precision Arms 1(989)578-2576 -------------------------------------- Will have pics soon, his case is close to 375 Warlord case with a shorter neck, and longer to shoulder. Got guys getting 585HE cases, they all think we have ''the'' case to wildcat... Ed |
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Here is a helix driver seal we made by cutting base from helix driver
wadcup, good for fullbore roundballs that are too big to go in cup. Best one to cut off is shortest `12ga one BPI has. http://www.gunownerstv.com/helixseal.jpg Here is picture of a 585HE made on a Stiller bolt action for guy in Canada. It was made for the poster Spooksar on Africa Hunting and Accuratereloading, by Corlanes/Rocky Mountain rifles, in Dawson Creek BC Canada, with a Stiller action, Timney trigger. the stock is a blue/grey laminate. He imported the barrel, cases, dies, etc.. from us, through Prophet River in Lloydminster AB. http://www.gunownerstv.com/spooksar.jpg That action similar to Lawton we had and neighbor got, that won the King Of The 2 Mile shoot at Whittington, with the 375 Lethal cartridge the neighbor made, from our 585 brass. Made it full length case,.. It is big one on the right. He made an 18 lb gun with McMillan target stock, a huge scope, tripod.. Nice thing is we don't need BMG action.ED http://www.gunownerstv.com/375lethal.jpg |
Fellow big bore nut, Nathan Vale in AUS, has worked with
Bertram and got the run of full length 12ga From Hell cases done. Drawn 12ga long cases as strong as BMG brass with unbreakable rims. Any wanting to get some, contact Bertram at the email ----- b.bertram1@bigpond.com ...... Some more on wildcat 375 Lethal....... .375 Lethal Precision Arms LLC rifle shooting prototype solid 400gr Berger bullets. Mitchell built this rifle himself using a McMillan A5 Super Mag stock, Rock Creek barrel, Nightforce ATACR MOA scope, Phoenix Precision Bipod, and a Lethal Precision Arms muzzle brake. Lawton Action. Lethal Precision his own gunsmith shop, will make these target rifles for anyone into target shooting and long range hunting.. Remarkably, Mitchell nailed first- and second- shot hits at the 2477-yard target, a full 1.4 miles away. It is windy out there, makes shooting hard with a time limit. The prototype 400 grain Berger Bullets solid performed great, (G7 BC of 0.56 at 3000 fps). http://www.gunownerstv.com/mitch3.jpg Here is 585 HE in an Enfield, in a Choate Heavy Varmint Stock. These are super strong. The butts of these can easily be weighted. Couple guys doing them....... Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/enchoate.jpg |
Here is picture of Lawton action bolt with our 585 case in it,
and it will do for any necked down wildcats also. Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/law585bolt.jpg |
Some are getting interested in extreme long range 375 case
as we just took Mitch over some more 585 HE cases, two big boxes of them, so he can rework them and make more hotrod 375s and set up guys with cases, and guns like his to compete with. Ed |
Here is a picture of the 12ga FH brass case that Nathan
Vale had Bertrams make. Next to short plastic case. http://www.gunownerstv.com/12gavale.jpg Here is a picture of our 585BB headstamp. Perfect lettering for our case as it came from production line,. http://www.gunownerstv.com/585bbstamp.jpg I like Hogue stocks, but they aren't made for singleshots. We use singleshots for our 12ga FH and 585HE. Here is picture of a NEF we set up for 24ga FH and we adapted a Hogue 1300 Winchester Hogue to it. Looks a lot better, and handles recoil easier than factory, Butt hollow, easy to add weight, http://www.gunownerstv.com/buttnef.jpg Ed |
Some info about target 375 wildcats made from 585 HE ,
both about same power,the guy in Alaska with the 375 Warlord, has released it to public domain, he and I will have formed 375 Warlord cases, few weeks. He has also released the reamer to the public,being made by JGS, so anyone wanting to do a super ELR rifle, maybe get you a reamer ''now' on first reamer run at JGS, so maybe you can get a gun done this winter, with reamer in hand.Ed |
I'm doing a test gun for the 375 Warlord to get the right powders figured out for guys, save them time,
my reamer be done soon.barrel and action ready...Ed |
This a commercial message ? :confused:
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Grizz going 35 grand in debt is no too commercial.
Just trying to promote the big bore shooting hobby. Maybe get a little fame benefit, before I croak, I'm 77. Our friend Brian from the Can north went to Africa with his 24ga FH he did in a NEF break action and got 3 nice buffs with it. A NEF in Africa!!!Good job. Our 585HE, 700HE and the great 12ga FH are now in the new COTW book published in Oct, now out for sale, http://www.gunownerstv.com/cotw585.jpg We now have our target 375 HE cartridge, made by necking down our 585 HE. The others couldn't make enough 375s, so we started our own. It has different shoulder taper, length, neck length, improved over the others...Got a bunch guys doing it, most into the 2 mile shooting venues, We're making cases, testing, reamer prints at reamer guys, we are getting guys going. The 2 mile shoot last year really got the interest booming for 375 necked from our case, Here's how, size and seat 375 HE, one simple die, a 1" die, no huge dies needed A die we can make with resize reamer from reamer guy, a regular die body,then pass on to the next guy, one reamer can make whole bunch of dies for folks. I do primer work separate, not in the press. SO First with lock ring set, I size cases. When coming back out of dies with case, we notice the case still well centered, held straight, when it is down as far as the length of the 375 HE neck... IE the sides and shoulder corner still supported tight. So we put washer or another lock ring on, same thickness as neck length, below original lock ring, screw down tight tight in press, Dies had a 5/8 x 24 thread in top, had powder fill bushing and other stuff same thread, reamed out from bottom to set bullet height, with ram, case,and bullet up, After priming, loading in the powder charge, we carefully start(boat tail makes it easy) bullet in case by hand, slide up in die, into holder, raise ram to to top, bullet seated perfect. Die can have different thread in top as long as big enough to hold seating bushing of some kind , that can be made from many items. These target bullets held in by strong neck tension, no crimping needed, and notice bullet point will get no marks or dents, fast, easy, no 380-500 buck special dies. Bushing centering bullet on ogive is very accurate. OVER 900 375HE cases piled behind presses getting done. About 600 on another bench nearly ready. Small batches in shelves.And we will do more. All 375 info, prints, specs, pictures, load data, etc, is public domain, worldwide, for any target, hunting, etc, use..Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/boattailseat.jpg |
The bullet seating combo we figured out will save shooters enough
money to buy the cases to get started. And resize reamer can be used to make many guys their dies, Ed |
Here is the neck die setup, with inserts for the top that
are set in .020" steps to make the 375HEs shown behind from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on another bench, There are 4 setups now. Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/necking375.jpg |
Here is picture of one of 3 buffs our guy from Canada got in
Africa with our 24ga FH he did on a NEF, in 2nd picture http://www.gunownerstv.com/brianbuff.jpg http://www.gunownerstv.com/briangun.jpg Here is the neck die setup, with insert stems/plugs for the top that are set in .020" steps to make our 375 HEs shown behind from our 585HE cases. 900 cases behind and 600 on another bench, mostly done, and 600 started elsewhere, We also made a hydraulic form die, 375 HE test gun, starting with lighter bullets, for example got 340 gr to 3700, Will test up to 400gr We will find top speeds and powders needed to get that, and have info where to get powders. Reamer prints are at reamer guys, all prints and info is public domain... Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/necking375.jpg |
Here is pic of a couple of our 375 HE next to a little 378 WEA.
Middle- 375 HE case has 330 gr bullet- Right has 400gr.. Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/375hecases.jpg |
Picture of fellows at Vestals Gunsmithing test firing 585 HE
they built for a guy. They got 750 gr to almost 2800 from ultra short barrel, not a full load . A regular barrel would be over 2900, 14000 ft lbs with full load.. http://www.gunownerstv.com/585blast.jpg Here is picture of out 375HE testgun, in heavy t-hole stock. So far 340 gr to 3700 and 360gr 3600. http://www.gunownerstv.com/testgun.jpg Next 416 HE target case, these run through the hydro-die, test gun done,will complete testing soon, to confirm specs. When specs set, info will be sent to reamer guys Soon will have 408 HE with specs set up also, for guys, Smaller case 416s and 408s can be reamed out for our bigger case .Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/416he.jpg |
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Here is picture of a brake on 12ga FH with real hot loaded
hollowbase lead slug, brake needed more clearance for the expanding slug. http://www.gunownerstv.com/bbrake.jpg Here is the before and after of 375 HE cases necked, 2 on left, and then formed in hydro die... Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/beforehydroafter.jpg Here is pic of 416 HSM second from left we are experimenting with, going to see if we can make the ultimate 416 ELR case. Can be 3.60" to 4.00" long, a long one pictured. Holds over 280 gr ball powder under bullet. The 3.6" case can hold about 250gr under bullet.. In picture, 1st case is 416 HE, 2nd 416 HSM, 3rd 375 He, 4th 378 WEA. 416 HSM will get 400gr to 4100 plus without needing BMG action, 470 gr 3800 plus , it may be the ultimate target, singleshot 416.. Case will work in fat bolt actions, with heavy enough barrel to have good, milder, barrel harmonics and be under 50 lbs. A lot of the 2 mile type shoots are adopting 50lb limit. http://www.gunownerstv.com/416hsm.jpg Here is picture of the 416 HSM fireformed once, next to bmg case we make it from and as we improve wildcatting process next few weeks some specs may make small changes, now from base to shoulder is 3.45", case 3.97" long. Ed.. http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmbmg.jpg Manson has 416 HE and 408 HE prints, as well as 375 HE He can also make you a resize die reamer from that info. We got 700 cases in 416 and one more pass if 408s wanted, , Going to do lot more cases for these 2 sizes, PM or email. ph 989-644-5228.. Here are final specs for 416 HE. Length 3.32", belt diameter ,655", base dia .635" , length base to to shoulder 2.860" , 30 deg shoulder.Ed |
Guys asking about strong economical bolt gun to use for 28ga and
410 ga and 32ga with brass cases and higher pressures than plastic cases. They can use a MN bolt action, here is pic of one with our 585 case in the action.Guys can get Magtech brass cases or have RMC make them....Guys can make 32ga case from 500 NE, 410s from 9.3 x 74 brass, etc.. http://www.gunownerstv.com/585mosin2.jpg Here is picture of our 416 HSM case sectioned next to original BMG case on the right sectioned, to show that we still have enough thickness in the sides to handle high pressure, in a case with 310 gr capacity..We are getting the wildcatting work set up so we can do at least hundred a month. We have lots of 585s, 375HEs, 416 HEs, 408 HEs..... And working toward getting 416 HSMs in big numbers. http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmsect.jpg Here's comparison of 416 target cases, 1st 416 HE, have whole bunch. Second is model of what I'd have made on medium machine, if I could, the 416 HE Long. It has capacity of 230gr.. Third is our 416 HSM which we are working on making by wildcatting bmg cases, And if had run long cases, make longer 375 HE necking down 416 .. http://www.gunownerstv.com/416heexp.jpg Bryan Litz just recently shot 3 shot group at 2 miles using Paul Phillips heavy barreled, target rifle built by Lethal Precision in 375 Lethal Mag(585HE necked down, very similiar to 375HE )... It grouped 17.5 inches tall by 22 inches wide. Applied Ballistics shooter Mitch Fitzpatrick just hit 3 of 5 at 3520 yards, weekend 10-13th at Valdina Ranch , west of San Antonio. Also used the 375 LM case similar to our 375 HE Great shooting at the 2017 World's Longest Shot Challenge. Ed |
The 12ga FH case now is in the new COTW book on
last page in the wildcat section, I think page 324. They gave good credit to Rob for the idea of that case.... The model 416 HE long case in middle, hydro formed one, has case capacity of 240 gr, and the 416 HSM in picture, on the right, we fired a case twice, capacity is 320gr.. Ed.. http://www.gunownerstv.com/416heexp.jpg Shooters talking more now; short, fat cases sticking, pockets not lasting as expected. Trying to get best speeds the things raising pressures are bad case proportions, too fast of powders, and the debth of the bullet into the powder space, as shown in the picture below.. My 375, 416, etc testing, bullets loaded like bottom one, in longer freebore....Ed. http://www.gunownerstv.com/416inout.jpg |
Eyy Ed,
Thank You for sharing your intel and arms/cartridge development! I figure you're aware that there are many who don't comment but have an interest in these truly brute and barrel strength wildcats. Bravo! |
Here is case measurements for our 416 HE target case
made from our 585 HE big belted case. Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/416heprint.jpg Here is picture of 375 HE left, 416 HE next, 416 HSM right.. http://www.gunownerstv.com/pat1.jpg Here, tentative specs, 416 HSM case we are doing from bmg brass, http://www.gunownerstv.com/416hsmpic.jpg A 375 HE, with Lawton action, bunch being done with those ..... http://www.gunownerstv.com/lawton375.jpg |
Here is picture of 375 HE in long barrel
in MRC PH action, guy getting brake and scope as he goes along, Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/ph375.jpg |
Here is a 375 HE target gun set up, by Asteroid Precision...
http://www.gunownerstv.com/375hehotrod.jpg |
Here is recap simple setup to get faster loads with 12ga sabots
& slugs, Example using break actions...., reaming chamber in a 12ga break action to 3.5" with a 3.5" 12ga reamer, that isn't something needing special order, and use 3.5" plastic cases , or get 3.5" brass cases made. With mag shotgun primers and our slower powder loads you can get a quarter more speed, which gives 50% more energy... 585 Hubel Express video, 190ft/lbs recoil, heavy load, gun little light..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyS9zZ8ElJA Another view of Asteroid Precision's.... 375 HE target gun, http://www.gunownerstv.com/375hehotrod2.jpg Here is our 416 HSM we are developing next to 416 Barrett, Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmbarrett.jpg |
Here in picture of the cases, are shown the steps in making
our 416 HSM case, from BMG brass,, Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/416process.jpg We might have a company that is doing a bolt gun with an action between BMG size and longer rifle actions used for 375 HE, 375 Lethal, and Cheytacs.. To use for our 416 HSM without having to do extreme rebating of the rim. Here is picture of 620 416 hsm cases half done. Done on cnc , that slimmed them down, cut new rim and extractor groove. There are over 500 more at cnc getting done now, plus we have 1000s more bmg cases we make them from, when needed.. This case is public domain and if anyone wants to make them we can give the steps involved...Ed. http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmcnc.jpg |
Here in picture of the cases, are shown the steps in making
our 416 HSM case, from BMG brass,, Ed http://www.gunownerstv.com/416process.jpg We might have a company that is doing a bolt gun with an action between BMG size and longer rifle actions used for 375 HE, 375 Lethal, and Cheytacs.. To use for our 416 HSM without having to do extreme rebating of the rim. Here is picture of 620 416 hsm cases half done. Done on cnc , that slimmed them down, cut new rim and extractor groove. There are over 500 more at cnc getting done now, plus we have 1000s more bmg cases we make them from, when needed.. This case is public domain and if anyone wants to make them we can give the steps involved...Ed. http://www.gunownerstv.com/hsmcnc.jpg |
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