Why do people try this?
https://rdnewsnow.com/article/591530...n-crash-victim
https://rdnewsnow.com/article/585113...h-taylor-drive Another scumbag has lost his life trying to flee in a stolen vehicle, and the family and friends are trying to convince us the scum was a good guy. I was in the area when he was running and my family was put at risk because of his actions. He put one person in the hospital, and could have easily killed her. Yet he was a great, generous guy who was always helping others. Ya right, helping others feel pain. |
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Because our society is so messed up, that people want the criminals to appear to be the victims.
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Theres often a lot of co-dependance or someone has been enabling the junkie rather than getting them into a program. Call me cynical but I think a lot of addicts are beyond hope. Some can be brought around to sobriety sure, but how many straighten out enough to really thrive?
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Why do people try this. Because for everyone of them that actually dies they have probably done it dozens of times and thousands of others who do it get away with it. Worst that happens is they get caught a few times, rarely serve time. In a few minutes time they can steal a vehicle, sell it to a chop shop for an eight ball or a few hundred bucks and go get high for the day or have transportation for a few days before they dump it somewhere. For people of that nature it's a pretty low risk and very easy opportunity with very little risk of serious consequences. If they hurt or kill someone along the way it doesn't matter much to them. What's the worst that can happen to them? They pretend they are sorry when they're in front of a judge, if they do get convicted they get to serve time, make friends and network with like minded people until they are let back out. Not much of a downside for them.
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I think some of us don't understand the question. :budo:
Pretty sure he's asking why family and friends are trying to convince us the scum was a good guy, not why people steal cars. |
You guys are silly. He was probably stealing the car because he was preparing for Greyhound to shut down.:scared0018:
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Anyone caught dealing drugs should serve a mandatory 10 year prison term with zero chance of parole for first offense and life or even death sentence for second offense.
I've seen first hand how drugs destroy lives, I'm not talking about pot but drugs like coke, heroin and meth. Just a little over a week ago I had an old friend die from bad coke, most likely laced with fentanyl at 47. When he was in his early 20's the guy was so ambitious, journeyman ironworker, member of the union and had the world by the balls. Then came meth and went his world. So sad to watch him go from an inspiration to a pity. He lost everything, his wife and kids, his house, his friends, his job, his local 720 membership which he was so proud of, traded it all for meth and jail instead, until his final high before he even reached 50! I can see how good people go bad, I've seen it, and if we want to stop it we have to eliminate the dealers. |
They are always a saint after they are dead.
I would say the ones that are praising him are probably not any better and helped him turn down the road of crime. These people are blinded by their ignorance.
By the sounds of the article he probably also had a warrent out for his arrest for not showing up to court so it’s very hard to believe this is his first rodeo. I feel bad for the person he put in the hospital but glad he won’t be putting my families lives in harms way while shopping in town. |
Today the CBC featured an article about the guy shot after ramming a police cruiser during a chase in North Battleford the picture they used shows the smiling young man holding his daughter. The CBC always likes to show the police as the bad guys.
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I don't think it's any different than the concept of "nostalgia goggles". When looking back on things, we always seem to perceive them to be better than they actually were, and focus more on remembering the good things and not the bad. Think about your first vehicle you ever had, and it'll probably be all good things you think about in regards to it, and not how it was probably a massive pile of junk.
Mix that with a yearning mother and sympathy and positive remembrance comes about. |
I love the part "but nine times out of ten, when he was breaking the rules, it was to help somebody"...I (and many here I'm sure) have helped people throughout our lives...never had to break the rules to do so.
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I hope I never trip into the 'bad' stuff.
I hope none of my friends trip into the ;bad; stuff. I hope none of you trip into the ?bad? stuff. Bad stuff is all around. Know it, recognize it, control it if you can. Most will experience the 'Bad'. |
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There's probably an element of cognitive dissonance too. How many of us have had friends that we defended for things we'd condemn strangers for? We have an image of the person in our heads and their bad behaviour contradicts it. We can't simultaneously believe they're a good person and that they do bad things. To be clear, I'm not condoning what the guy did or trying to paint him in a sympathetic light, at all. I do understand why his mother would, though. |
My thoughts are, in every case like this, we deserve to hear the entire court record of the perp, no whitewashing.
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Of course there are the lighter stages of addiction, we’ve probably all known people who drank excessively and weren’t in control of their lives, or people who are incapable of going out for drinks without reaching the level of being a staggering buffoon. |
The reason we keep having these problems is the people we elect into government and the bureaucracies that have grown up, have their own agendas with respect to drugs and prisons. Both control multi-billion dollar budgets. The prison and police industry in the U.S. is its single biggest employer. The "War" on drugs is what keeps the prisons full and growing.
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Google Portugal and Drugs, there are a ton of articles that describe how it works in detail. https://news.vice.com/article/ungass...weed-to-heroin You want to stop break ins, muggings and all the other crap that gets worse everyday, push your elected official to deal with the root cause, illegal drugs. And no that doesn't mean more enforcement. |
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Sounds like you surround yourself with wonderful people.
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If you think you can try to convince me that most recovering criminals and addicts are saints you are mistaken because I know better. |
Any objection to chain gangs??
Why not, rather than parking them in a cell on tax dollars, chain a bunch of them together to form a skirmish line and clean up our highways. A few days of sweating in the sun would likely sober them up and perhaps they would rather go get a job when they get out. I believe in rehabilitation, but just to park them in jail with a bunch of like minded fools, so they can make new contacts and such... is a joke! It's a drain on the economy and does no good for those incarcerated. |
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Until their fix is assured or replaced there is NO chance of reaching them. You can't wean people off drugs till they have an assured supply or hit rock bottom or get them on a replacement drug. |
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Someone on an earlier post mentioned meetings where addicts and or alcoholics attend. There you will see some who have been sober or decades and some for just a few days or in some cases only hours. Some speak or testify as to their sobriety and you may hear stories of many that tried many times before they were able to maintain their sobriety. Those who have maintained their sobriety will all say that their success was due to help from someone that would not give up on them. I am not saying that we should all go out of our way to help a druggie or a drunk. That would only result in many getting burned if one does not know how to help. I am saying that there is help for those who want help and that is probably left for those that know what they are doing. I am also saying and I repeat, I know many that have done what it takes to become decent human beings and with help have become very fine people. I have no use for addicts or drunks but once they are no longer addicts and drunks I prefer to judge them for who they are and not what they were. |
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I'm with you 100% on this. The jailbirds could be cleaning up ditches, building ATV bridges and out houses in the West Country, and countless other tasks that would help the rest of us and give them a sense of purpose. But our government, unions, and bleeding heart population would think of it as forced labour and never let it fly. I was at a horseshow in Texas a few years ago where the prisoners were cleaning the grounds and shovelling out stalls. |
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So do the "bad stuff ". just recognize it and try to control it??? Wait what?? Startin to sound like PurgSV... :argue2: |
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