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Double Dropper 01-15-2020 02:22 PM

Best 500 Yard Bullet in a 300 Winchester Magnum
 
If shots were limited to 500 yards what bullet would you use? Have been playing with a variety of 308 bullets out of the 300 Win, hunt deer elk moose bear and would not take a poke idealy past 400 but extended this to 500 yards for conversations sake. I used Berger 190 grain bullets this season loaded to 3100 fps.....very not happy with weight retention, fragmentation and penetration. 2 Shots with them at 100 on moose, 150 on a whitetail. Ya ya ya they're both dead but only 25 grains left on the bullet in the shoulder of a 2 year old moose and the whitetail was a passthrough but extensive blood shot meat and copper every where! Not my idea of a hunting bullet.

GMX 01-15-2020 02:31 PM

I keep hearing the same thing about burger bullets and was told never to hunt with them from a buddy who shot a few elk with them. Same story as your they seem to grenade on impact no personal experience though. I don’t shoot a 300 or those ranges if I did I would look at an acubond, partitions TTSX/GMX’s or eldx bullets. IMO anyways.

Double Dropper 01-15-2020 02:41 PM

ELDX 200 and 212 area what Iam playing with right now but on a close range shot.....the 200 is too soft for sure the 212, have not shot anything with them but same construction, remind me of Nosler Ballistic Tips.

kingrat 01-15-2020 02:41 PM

Barnes lrx.

waldedw 01-15-2020 02:57 PM

I shoot nosler accubond long range 190 gr in my 300 RUM, awesome performance on game, and very accurate, can't believe they wouldn't work well in the 300 win mag also

bdub 01-15-2020 03:01 PM

Pretty tough to beat the construction of the Partition at those ranges I think. 180 or 200's. Only recovered a few so far. Good results from point blank to 400 ish yards for me, lots of exits wounds.

obsessed1 01-15-2020 03:04 PM

I run 180 gr accubonds at 2980 fps. Killed 1 moose and a bull elk. Moose was 80 yds Elk was 435 yds Bullets performed as designed. moose bullet recovered was 108 gr shot behind near shoulder. Bullet from bull was 158 gr and was under the hide on off side quartering towards shot.

Salavee 01-15-2020 03:34 PM

Original180 gr Remington Cor Lokts. I have lots if you're interested

WhiteTailAB 01-15-2020 03:52 PM

210 lrab.

buckman 01-15-2020 04:15 PM

Berger bullets are famous for poor penetration if they hit the Scapular or Humerus.

Great if they get into the chest then blow up though.

I would stick with Noslers,or Barns, if its weight retention and penetration your after.

I have had more one shot kills on Elk,Moose and deer with the partition than any other bullet in calibers from .270 Winchester to .300 Weatherby

Most of the kills were 450 yds or less.

I would have no problem shooting further. if the conditions were perfect,which of course they seldom are.

360hunt 01-15-2020 05:38 PM

Sub 500 meters Partition
500 meters plus...Long range accubonds.

If I only could have one type of bullet.
It would always be a partition in any caliber.

Alta_Redneck 01-15-2020 07:32 PM

I shoot 180gr accubond at 3180fps. I took a fair sized bull elk, he stepped out at 50 yards and I made a good broadside shot, the bullet still exited the far side without blowing up and causing excessive damage. I also took my biggest whitetail at 150 yards with the same results. Neither animal went more then 30 yards.

raised by wolves 01-15-2020 08:00 PM

I use the Accubonds in both of my main rifles. I run 140s in my 270WSM and 180s in my 300WinMag. Really accurate and even the 270WSM gives a complete pass through at longer ranges. I have only recovered a couple of the 270 Accubonds from the opposite shoulder. I did not weigh them but estimate around 75% mass remained. Complete pass throughs with the 300WinMag. But, I am tempted to go back to a plain jane soft point as I feel they kill more efficiently. So far, any animal hit with the Accubond, except for a close range head shot, has been a runner. The bullet did what it was supposed to and killed the animal but it did not anchor them in the same way a less glamorous soft point seemed to manage. Almost every animal I killed with a soft point anchored on the spot. Thinking about a Nosler Partition or Trophy Bonded Bear Claw or just going back to the Federal Powershocks.

lead chucker 01-15-2020 08:09 PM

What's your guys thoughts on a 150gr nosler ballistic tips in a 270wsm?

Ice Fishing Maniac 01-15-2020 09:46 PM

I like the 180gr Accubonds in my 300WM . Been reloading it since 2005/06. Never tried the 190 LRAB but these or the 180gr TTSX get my vote

360hunt 01-15-2020 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lead chucker (Post 4093083)
What's your guys thoughts on a 150gr nosler ballistic tips in a 270wsm?

A 150gr out of a 270wsm would be around 3250fps. Ballistic tips were designed to fragment. I'd expect it would explode at close range. Probably work well at distance on deer size game.
I load my 270wsm with 150gr partitions. More expensive but work well at all velocities and bigger game.

lead chucker 01-15-2020 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 360hunt (Post 4093153)
A 150gr out of a 270wsm would be around 3250fps. Ballistic tips were designed to fragment. I'd expect it would explode at close range. Probably work well at distance on deer size game.
I load my 270wsm with 150gr partitions. More expensive but work well at all velocities and bigger game.

Thanks for the info

Double Dropper 01-16-2020 07:55 AM

Looking hard at 2 new bullets, Barnes 190 grain LRX and the Speer Impact 190 grains as well, the alternate was the 200 grain Accubond non LR version. again we are talked 500 yards or less.

Beeman3 01-16-2020 08:30 AM

For nothing over 500 yds BC isn’t important so I’d go accubond or partition. Even though all I shoot out of my 300 win mag is the 215 Berger. It’s a great bullet and kills well. If shooting Berger’s go with heavy for caliber. I personally think the 190 gr is to light. Also always check the tips to make sure they are clear/clean to make sure they expand. As was mentioned earlier I’d be careful with the ELD-X as it’s explosive up close. However I’ve only tried smaller calibers in this bullet. Maybe the bigger 30 cal is tougher?

kingrat 01-16-2020 09:51 AM

I read somewhere that the lrx was designed to open up at 1600 fps vs 2000 fps like the ttsx. At any rate I've shot animals out to 475 with them and they've performed excellent. The beauty with them is it doesnt matter if its 50 yards or 500 they're gonna hold together and penetrate and kill.

Double Dropper 01-16-2020 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kingrat (Post 4093346)
I read somewhere that the lrx was designed to open up at 1600 fps vs 2000 fps like the ttsx. At any rate I've shot animals out to 475 with them and they've performed excellent. The beauty with them is it doesnt matter if its 50 yards or 500 they're gonna hold together and penetrate and kill.

I do like that, all the others suffer some performance issues up close.

Steelhorse Cowboy 01-16-2020 11:47 AM

Use a 165 accubond in my 308 Norma Mag.
425ish hit on a elk..it turned around and fell.
Passed right though.
I was impressed to say.

Pathfinder76 01-16-2020 12:58 PM

At 500 yards, pick your poison. Really, anything will work.

3blade 01-16-2020 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Dropper (Post 4093282)
Looking hard at 2 new bullets, Barnes 190 grain LRX and the Speer Impact 190 grains as well, the alternate was the 200 grain Accubond non LR version. again we are talked 500 yards or less.

Minimum impact velocity is 1800 for the ttsx, 1600 for the lrx. You’re well above that with either at 500 yards with most loads.

My rifles have all liked the ttsx better. The animals have not required more than one shot, and the meat damage has been minimal. Elk shot through the heart broadside. Hit the crease, through the heart, out at the scapula joint...cut away a 4 inch diameter circle on each shoulder, thats all. He went 40 yards. Hit deer 3 inches behind the shoulder through the ribs and it’s lung soup with no meat damage at all.

W921 01-16-2020 03:12 PM

The problem with the 300 win is the short case neck and the short 30/06 length actions that most of the 300 were chambered in.
I have found the best accuracy to be in general if the bullet base and sides do not extend down into the powder cavity of the cartridge. Your also limited to the 3.340" oal.
I have a ton of experience with the discontinued Barnes 130 grain xbt. But you should listen to me because Barnes has a new version of this bullet called a triple shock. I have used the new bullet so far only on targets because I still have a lot of the old bullets that I'm going to use up first. Why they would change a perfect bullet really ****es me off! The new bullet has grooves in it to reduce pressure. What concerns me is now you have less grip on the bullet from the cartridge walls. So far no bullets have jumped in the magazine from recoil.
Okay so everybody is saying if they are still reading this that a 130 grain is to small. Listen I grew up shooting black powder cartridge and reading Elmer Keith and I love big guns. Bigger the better. Honest to god if I had the money I would be into anti tank cannons. But listen these little bullets work perfect!
I have shot through spine on bull elk at ten feet and have shot elk and antelope at stupid ranges. Deer, moose, you you name it. This gun is my most accurate rifle at any range. Especially long range.
With Barnes bullets you have to get the harder regular bullet fouling out of your barrel.
Start with a perfect clean barrel. Warning Barnes bullets will foul your barrel and it takes a bet of work to keep it clean but they are worth the trouble!
I'm new to computers and I don't know how to post pictures. Actually I get my pictures developed at Walmart.
I'm not trying to brag so please don't take me the wrong way when I talk about stuff.
Anyway I down load all my guns a bit to make the brass last longer but my 300 shoots plus 2" at 100 yards, plus 2" at 200 and minus 2 at 300.
This is my current sight settings because I'm a better hunter than I used to be. Years ago I thought I needed all this long range ability and I used to practice it almost daily.
Yes I know bigger bullets will shoot good in a 300. I been all through it. What I'm saying is this is what works best for me. Honestly I don't see how it can be any better. I don't know why everybody isn't using these.

Dean2 01-16-2020 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chuck (Post 4093495)
At 500 yards, pick your poison. Really, anything will work.

I agree, Stay away from target bullets and you will be fine. The 165 grain Hornady SP Intebonds out of a 300 mag at 3300 fps have killed a ton of game. It is a simple cup and core bullet and still works great on everything from deer to moose. The 180 grain is a good choice too. Moving up the price range makes a guy feel good but they don't kill any better.

Andrzej 01-16-2020 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dean2 (Post 4093606)
I agree, Stay away from target bullets and you will be fine. The 165 grain Hornady SP Intebonds out of a 300 mag at 3300 fps have killed a ton of game. It is a simple cup and core bullet and still works great on everything from deer to moose. The 180 grain is a good choice too. Moving up the price range makes a guy feel good but they don't kill any better.

Dean
IMO
Hornady Interbonds are bonded bullets where the core is bonded with cup like Accubonds much newer technology than Interlocks.

Hornady Interlocks are Cup and Core Bullets where a cup is filled with the lead but not bonded.
Andrew

Dean2 01-16-2020 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrzej (Post 4093810)
Dean
IMO
Hornady Interbonds are bonded bullets where the core is bonded with cup like Accubonds much newer technology than Interlocks.

Hornady Interlocks are Cup and Core Bullets where a cup is filled with the lead but not bonded.
Andrew

You are correct. I was referring to Interlocks and used the wrong term. We have used Interlocks for decades and they have, and continue to effectively kill game out past 800 yards. The Interbonds are just another version of cup and core. Nosler partition is also an evolution of the cup and core and another VERY effective bullet. Long and short, as long as u don't use Berger type bullets that grenade pretty much any mainline hunting bullet from Hornady, Sierra Speer, Remington or whoever will do the job just fine.

Double Dropper 01-17-2020 09:32 AM

I killed a ton of game with a 165 grain Ballistic Tip, the only animal to completely destroy that bullet was a Bighorn Sheep, blocky bastard for sure but he went down DRT. Bombarded lately with reloading advice from a 220 grain Sierra to 150 grain Barnes TTSX, Alot of the larger bullets really only come into play over 600 yards and past. I thought long and hard about this. What are the real chances of a shot in this range??? Only once is 30 years plus of hunting did I take a successful poke at an animal and kill him. Most other shots were under 500 yards. Hence I do not see the advantage to loading 210-220 grain bullets. Was leaning towards 190 grains as a perfect bullet in the 300 Win Mag. I spend a ton of time handloading prepping brass, weighing both bullets and brass but keep playing with a wide range of bullets when it is starting to look like a large exercise lol.

markg 01-17-2020 09:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Double Dropper (Post 4092826)
ELDX 200 and 212 area what Iam playing with right now but on a close range shot.....the 200 is too soft for sure the 212, have not shot anything with them but same construction, remind me of Nosler Ballistic Tips.

I am running that with my 300 PRC for hunting. Didnt get an animal this year but during my practice it performed exceptionally. Was shooting it 500 M to 1000 m

the 212 ELDX that is


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