Buying Whole Coyotes......Illegal!
This thread may generate a bit of discussion about buying whole coyotes in order to process the fur and IMO could tie into other threads wrt selling furs to people.
There seemed to be so much confusion about whether or not it was legal to buy and sell whole coyotes that I decided to submit the question about buying them to F&W. Here is the question that I submitted to them: As a licenced Residential Trapper, is it legal for me to purchase a whole coyote, unskinned, in order to process the pelt for sale at auction? Today I received a reply. Here it is: Hi Mr. (HunterDave), A Fur Buyers licence is required to purchase the pelts and parts of any fur-bearing animal. There are two type, one you can only purchase at your licenced premises and the other allows you to purchase anywhere in Alberta. Purchasing whole coyotes without a Fur-Buyers licences is an offence of trafficking in wildlife. From the Regulation guide Fur Dealers Fur dealers shall ensure that an approved partner as described above (including their spouse or a resident child under 18 years of age) produces a valid licence and WA188 card when selling the pelts and parts of any fur-bearing animals. The appropriate information from the card shall be accurately recorded and maintained as part of the Fur Dealer’s Transaction Record. Similarly, fur dealers shall ensure that the appropriate information from Registered and Resident Fur Management Licences is recorded when fur is bought from individuals authorized to sell under these authorities. For those fur dealers authorized to conduct the registration of the pelts of lynx, fisher, wolverine and otter, the Furbearers Registration Certificate (WA324) shall be fully and accurately completed and appropriately submitted in a timely manner. Fur dealers are required to report monthly all wildlife taken into possession. Also, fur dealers are required to retain on the licenced premises a copy of all records for 2 years since the wildlife was last possessed. Contact your local Fish and Wildlife office for further information (see Page 6). From the Wildlife Regulations Fur dealer permits - entitlements 75(1) A Class 1 fur dealer permit authorizes its holder to traffic in skins of fur-bearing animals with a person who is legally entitled to traffic in those skins, on that fur dealer’s permit premises other than in the living quarters of a private dwelling. (2) A Class 2 fur dealer permit authorizes its holder to purchase skins of fur-bearing animals anywhere in Alberta on behalf of the holder of a Class 1 fur dealer permit named in the permit. |
Excellent post. Everyone should read the response you got back from F&W.
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Can someone give them to you?
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Yes, you can let them lay to waste or gift them to someone.
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I left the signature line out from the email response that I received but I know that he is a member of AO so maybe he'll find this thread and post info if any clarification is needed. :) |
You can still put up fur for people if you keep records of who owns what in you fur shed. Check out the fur handlers section in the trapping regs. You can then charge a fee for the work you did prepping the pelts, the fee is between you and the owner of the fur
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It used to and still may apply to all lands,I think. A land owner is exempt and does not need to save the hide. Heres a chance for our officer friend to clarify.
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So if it's sooo illegal for people to buy coyotes without a licence, how is it that people sell coyotes to the Hutterites in droves and that is obviously purposefully overlooked by F&W?
How many times have we seen it posted on here that people sell their coyotes to the Hutterites? I don't get it. |
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I don't think that F&W selects who has to follow the regs and who doesn't. |
I would not suppose that.
I would doubt that. Extremely gracious though. |
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So a fur buyer can only buy a fur and not whole coyote but can I not pay someone to skin it for me?
Can I not sell the fur to that same person if they have the appropriate paperwork? |
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The funny part about the regs for me is that I haven't seen anywhere where it says that it's illegal to sell fur or whole animals to someone that doesn't have a permit.......similar to someone selling a rifle having to make sure that the buyer has a PAL. I guess that the onus is strictly on the buyer to make sure that he has the permit. I don't know all of the regs so something about it may be in there, but I haven't seen it. The bottom line is that you need a Fur Buyers Permit to buy yotes whether they are skinned or whole. :) |
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Now that I've heard the rules they actually make perfect sense although I hadn't thought about it before. A trapper can only sell a tanned pelt, obviously a whole dog isn't tanned yet. But it makes me wonder about a trapper doing his own tanning and selling the finished product? In that case the numbers still wouldn't have been accounted for.
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Anyone one in the province can sell a tanned pelt to anyone else. The bulk of trappers do not do tan their own pelts, as the auction houses do not want them tanned. If you tan your own hide you still need to pay the provincial royalty on it, i think that would be the only way they are accounted for |
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Nope. It's 'a' or 'b'. 'B' being covered by all other applicable acts....in this case the wildlife act. If wiley is scoping out your chickens, blast away. |
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Yea, like I said you can't sell a coyote unless its tanned or obviously to someone with a buyers licence. If they don't have a licence, then you can't sell to them.....unless its tanned, almost a catch 22 but not quite.
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a person always heres about hutterite colonies buying "whole" yotes. wonder if they have a fur buying liscence?
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good job thanks Dave
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Selling to Hutterites
If you sell your coyotes to Hutterites its up to you to make sure that they have their fur buyers licence. F&W tells me if they don't the seller can get a fine up to $100,000 and the purchaser up to $50,000. According to a number of my Hutterite friends, if someone on the colony has a buyers licence he has got this on his own. The colony does not condone this business but some will turn a blind eye to some of their members trapping or handling hides. The stricture colonies will stop this from happening on their colony and punish their members if caught. Remember if your selling to anyone, to protect your butt have them show you their licence.
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What has been left out I think is the fact you legally have to record every transaction (buying whole/fur) with a fur buyers license, complete with trappers name and trapping license # among other things like how many and what price.
So legally not just anyone can sell, the fur buyer can turn a blind eye if the seller does not have a trapping license in the first place and not record anything, but to take that chance would be stupid IMO. From what I understand you have to submit the records every month. IMO, the illegal buying/selling will never stop. I have never, ever heard of anyone getting caught and fined/prosecuted from the result of such illegal activity. It is a very grey area, one that conservation knows about but relatively does zero to stop/hinder it. I do not condone it but before they make an example out of what the repercussions are of someone illegally buying fur/carcasses, I doubt it will stop. |
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A fur buyer can buy coyotes obtained legally. This can be trapped, shot under a wild life certificate or shot by a landowner on their land. And the price does not have to be recorded, that is the buyers and sellers private business.
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