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1899b 06-13-2018 10:06 AM

Humboldt Bus Accident Update
 
Alberta Police Report:

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Albertadiver 06-13-2018 10:55 AM

That and there is some "chameleon registration" going on too.... :mad3:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4269086/h...opens-calgary/

270person 06-13-2018 11:06 AM

You'd think running a stop sign would be fairly open and shut.

HighlandHeart 06-13-2018 11:10 AM

As much as I would like to see a quick end to the investigation, I would hate to see the truck driver avoid charges because of something the RCMP rushed to finish.

Chewbacca 06-13-2018 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 270person (Post 3798259)
You'd think running a stop sign would be fairly open and shut.

You would think so.

1899b 06-13-2018 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albertadiver (Post 3798254)
That and there is some "chameleon registration" going on too.... :mad3:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4269086/h...opens-calgary/

Not surprising...

Albertadiver 06-13-2018 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HighlandHeart (Post 3798261)
As much as I would like to see a quick end to the investigation, I would hate to see the truck driver avoid charges because of something the RCMP rushed to finish.

Agreed.

CritterCommander 06-13-2018 11:27 AM

Yup, definitely a situation where the process has to play itself out, I can understand the desire for accuracy and closure at the conclusion. The only thing that's bothering me is the lack of information on timing for certain things to get done. From the release above it would seem that a lot of the process is still in early stages - not ready for peer review, etc etc. I would of hoped that something as high profile and devastating to so many would be given very high priority in terms of resources. Maybe that's what's happening but it's hard to read that between the lines of what was just said.

my 2 bits.

Badgerbadger 06-13-2018 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by 270person (Post 3798259)
You'd think running a stop sign would be fairly open and shut.

That suggests that "running a stop sign" might not be the only factor involved, doesn't it?

Scott N 06-13-2018 11:38 AM

Unless the driver was impaired, what't the most serious charge he's likely to face, "driving with undue care and attention"? Right or wrong, there's not likely to be any serious punishment dished out here.

Vook 06-13-2018 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albertadiver (Post 3798254)
That and there is some "chameleon registration" going on too.... :mad3:

https://globalnews.ca/news/4269086/h...opens-calgary/

"Nothing personal, it's just business" :angry3:

Okotok 06-13-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott N (Post 3798270)
Unless the driver was impaired, what't the most serious charge he's likely to face, "driving with undue care and attention"? Right or wrong, there's not likely to be any serious punishment dished out here.

"Driving without due care and attention". :)

ghostguy6 06-13-2018 12:02 PM

That press release is using most of the stall tactics right out of the manual. Say something but at the same time, say nothing.

1899b 06-13-2018 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ghostguy6 (Post 3798283)
That press release is using most of the stall tactics right out of the manual. Say something but at the same time, say nothing.

Absolutely.

rem338win 06-13-2018 12:37 PM

He could be facing criminal charges like dangerous driving causing death.

The peanut gallery needs to calm down. The RCMP doesn't move fast and cases like this will be investigated very thoroughly and treated like homicides; because many many deaths occurred.

Who here has some life issue dangling over their heads based on this case?

The victims families are beimg contacted and they matter. Your curiosity does not drive the pace of any situation like this.

Mountain Guy 06-13-2018 12:44 PM

Its pretty obvious what happened.... because of the magnitude of this accident...the details of why it happened is what they're making sure they get right.

calgarygringo 06-13-2018 12:46 PM

You also have to know there are going to be many insurance company lawsuits that will last for years. Talking here in the office which is insurance some of the longtimers that have seen these types of accidents tell me that they will go as far as putting per centage of faults to even guys like the bus driver if he should have seen the truck and didnt stop could potential be put on a small amount of blame that would effect payouts which will be huge. There are also many layers of policies that all will be paying sonething so they have to make sure they do it right. I just hope it is an easy one and he ranvthe sign but if a bunch of factors this could be a long ugly one.

bat119 06-13-2018 01:05 PM

Insurance claims in Saskatchewan depends what coverage the truck and bus have.
 
All Saskatchewan residents have a choice between two equally priced auto injury coverages - No Fault Coverage and Tort Coverage.

No Fault Coverage provides a comprehensive package of benefits that will cover the majority of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, No Fault Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits. It does not allow you to sue for pain and suffering, except in very limited circumstances.

Tort Coverage provides a basic package of benefits that will cover some of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, Tort Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits and for pain and suffering, subject to a $5,000 deductible.
Third-party liability coverage provides you, the vehicle owner, with up to $200,000 to pay for damages your vehicle causes to the property of others or injuries it causes to others.

does it ALL outdoors 06-13-2018 01:13 PM

I would also rather they take their time and get it right just due to the magnitude of this and the emotions involved, tough case for everyone involved.

Heard on Global the driver was arrested on site and released, did I hear wrong?

What was he arrested for? Thinking maybe they meant detained

calgarygringo 06-13-2018 01:14 PM

And dont forget they could potentially pull in the Team, the league and it goes on. Lawyers will try to pull everyone in possible as they will all have insurance on ths stuff.



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Originally Posted by bat119 (Post 3798312)
All Saskatchewan residents have a choice between two equally priced auto injury coverages - No Fault Coverage and Tort Coverage.

No Fault Coverage provides a comprehensive package of benefits that will cover the majority of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, No Fault Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits. It does not allow you to sue for pain and suffering, except in very limited circumstances.

Tort Coverage provides a basic package of benefits that will cover some of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, Tort Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits and for pain and suffering, subject to a $5,000 deductible.
Third-party liability coverage provides you, the vehicle owner, with up to $200,000 to pay for damages your vehicle causes to the property of others or injuries it causes to others.


brendan's dad 06-13-2018 01:40 PM

I wouldn't expect too much information any time soon.

1. If there is criminal/provincial charges, the RCMP/Crown will announce the charges.

and

2. If there are no charges, the RCMP/Crown will announce there are no charges.

In both scenarios I doubt there will be an explanation or rational given as they will not want to taint or influence any criminal, provincial or civil court proceedings. The story of what happen that night will be shared with the public through court proceedings.

Dave P 06-13-2018 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bat119 (Post 3798312)
All Saskatchewan residents have a choice between two equally priced auto injury coverages - No Fault Coverage and Tort Coverage.

No Fault Coverage provides a comprehensive package of benefits that will cover the majority of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, No Fault Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits. It does not allow you to sue for pain and suffering, except in very limited circumstances.

Tort Coverage provides a basic package of benefits that will cover some of your expenses if you're injured in an auto collision. If someone else is found responsible for the collision, Tort Coverage allows you to sue for expenses above the package of benefits and for pain and suffering, subject to a $5,000 deductible.
Third-party liability coverage provides you, the vehicle owner, with up to $200,000 to pay for damages your vehicle causes to the property of others or injuries it causes to others.

Thats for your own personal lines coverage in Sask. Wawanesa (Trucking Company) will pay out there policy Limit (probably 2 or 5MM), then SGI (Bus Company) will pay out there policy limit, And then Hockey Canada will pay the balance.

Jamie 06-13-2018 01:51 PM

So, this is a possibility of how it unfolded.

Bus was heading down the highway. Truck stopped at the stop sign, couldn't see the bus coming due to the sun. Bus caught the back 1/2 of the trailer as it pulled in front. The bus would have had the time to see the whole Truck and trailer. Perhaps a momentary distraction. (I say this as the bus driver did yell out in surprise).

Anyhow, thats my hope. I hope this was just a tragic mistake/accident. Caused by little things that all added up into a horrible tragedy.

End of the day, fault lies with the Truck driver.

Jamie

Roderek 06-13-2018 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person (Post 3798259)
You'd think running a stop sign would be fairly open and shut.

you would think, but have you considered the bus driver could have been doing 120 or 130, not sure what the speed limit is on that road but it is probably a 100.

The truck driver might have stopped and thought he had time to cross, but the bus was going faster and his judgement was off.

it is very possible that the bus driver could also be partially found at fault.

calgarygringo 06-13-2018 02:09 PM

Exactly and if so there would be a fight over what per cent of the fault is the bus driver and amounts paid etc.

For closure it would be nice if it was cut and dried but from a few things I have heard from the inside it may not be quite so . I guess time will tell.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Roderek (Post 3798336)
you would think, but have you considered the bus driver could have been doing 120 or 130, not sure what the speed limit is on that road but it is probably a 100.

The truck driver might have stopped and thought he had time to cross, but the bus was going faster and his judgement was off.

it is very possible that the bus driver could also be partially found at fault.


elkhunter11 06-13-2018 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roderek (Post 3798336)
you would think, but have you considered the bus driver could have been doing 120 or 130, not sure what the speed limit is on that road but it is probably a 100.

The truck driver might have stopped and thought he had time to cross, but the bus was going faster and his judgement was off.

it is very possible that the bus driver could also be partially found at fault.

If a driver cuts things that close that the bus going 20km/hr faster than the speed limit causes his vehicle to be t-boned by a bus, then he shouldn't be driving. :rolleye2:

Tungsten, 06-13-2018 02:30 PM

I remember seeing on CBC news that there was a witness? Apparently was stopped at the same intersection waiting for the bus to go by.

calgarygringo 06-13-2018 02:57 PM

There is also the possibility the bus driver was slightly distracted. Saw the truck in the middle of the road but by the time he reacted it was too late. Still doesnt discount the trucker in the middle of the intersection but it could bring another thing into play as a partial at fault even though I hope not.

Probably why it is a slow and more difficult investigation than it looked at the beginning.



Quote:

Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 3798345)
If a driver cuts things that close that the bus going 20km/hr faster than the speed limit causes his vehicle to be t-boned by a bus, then he shouldn't be driving. :rolleye2:


Jamie 06-13-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by calgarygringo (Post 3798354)
There is also the possibility the bus driver was slightly distracted. Saw the truck in the middle of the road but by the time he reacted it was too late. Still doesnt discount the trucker in the middle of the intersection but it could bring another thing into play as a partial at fault even though I hope not.

Probably why it is a slow and more difficult investigation than it looked at the beginning.

I believe thats part of this.. Take a look at my thoughts.

spirit4u 06-13-2018 03:30 PM

If the truck had just pulled away from the stop sign and got hit, all the debris would be on the road. The trucks load is all in the ditch west side of #35. The truck was clipping along and never stopped.


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