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remingtonusa 12-09-2018 10:58 AM

Hybrid???
 
I’m sure I got a hybrid this 2018 season. He has really dark hair and real coarse with a whitetail rack. Where do I send a piece of the hide to where it can be tested to verify it?

elkhunter11 12-09-2018 11:05 AM

You don't send the hide anywhere, you look at the glands on the rear legs, but the odds are likely 99% that the glands will match the tail/rear of the deer.

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/...psoaukezhl.jpg

Whitetail on the left Mule deer on the right.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 11:09 AM

Hybrid????
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 3888976)
You don't send the hide anywhere, you look at the glands on the rear legs, but the odds are likely 99% that the glands will match the tail/rear of the deer.

http://i1012.photobucket.com/albums/...psoaukezhl.jpg

Whitetail on the left Mule deer on the right.

What if I no longer have the legs then what do I do?

elkhunter11 12-09-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3888980)
What if I no longer have the legs then what do I do?

Does it have a white rump, with a thin white tail with a black tip? Most importantly, realize that many mule deer have antlers that are not forked, antlers are not at all a reliable way to tell if the deer is a mule deer or a whitetail.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by elkhunter11 (Post 3888981)
Does it have a white rump, with a thin white tail with a black tip? Most importantly, realize that many mule deer have antlers that are not forked, antlers are not at all a reliable way to tell if the deer is a mule deer or a whitetail.

The tail is the tail of a whitetail but the hair is that of a mule and it also has the bigger white throat latch like a mule. I have been told by one taxidermist that it is a hybrid and told by another that it isn’t.

elkhunter11 12-09-2018 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3888984)
The tail is the tail of a whitetail but the hair is that of a mule and it also has the bigger white throat latch like a mule

Throat patches and color are not reliable methods to identify deer. If the tail is a typical whitetail, the odds are extremely high, that you shot a whitetail deer.

catnthehat 12-09-2018 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3888984)
The tail is the tail of a whitetail but the hair is that of a mule and it also has the bigger white throat latch like a mule. I have been told by one taxidermist that it is a hybrid and told by another that it isn’t.

White tail , Colorado variations abound in deer .
We saw three white tails this year ( two small bucks and a doe ) and the bigger doe of the three you would have thought was a mule deer until they walked away . It was super dark , but fir sure a white tail
In the field the only thing you need to check is the back end
Cat

Bushrat 12-09-2018 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3888974)
I’m sure I got a hybrid this 2018 season. He has really dark hair and real coarse with a whitetail rack. Where do I send a piece of the hide to where it can be tested to verify it?

Post some pictures.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by catnthehat (Post 3888994)
White tail , Colorado variations abound in deer .
We saw three white tails this year ( two small bucks and a doe ) and the bigger doe of the three you would have thought was a mule deer until they walked away . It was super dark , but fir sure a white tail
In the field the only thing you need to check is the back end
Cat

This one has really coarse hair. I wish I could post pics of what I’m talking about on here

Bushmaster 12-09-2018 11:51 AM

99.99999999999999999999999999% whitetail. Why can't you post pics?

58thecat 12-09-2018 11:55 AM

Yup pics or it never happened......

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 11:59 AM

I’m new to the page and don’t know how to post pics

Talking moose 12-09-2018 12:03 PM

There are way less hybrids out there than the coffee shops would have you believe. Almost an anomaly.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Talking moose (Post 3889013)
There are way less hybrids out there than the coffee shops would have you believe. Almost an anomaly.

I know but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t have gotten one. It was living in a bush good for mules. I have seen a few taken out of here over the years

Bushmaster 12-09-2018 12:17 PM

If you want, email them to me and I'll post them for you.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster (Post 3889023)
If you want, email them to me and I'll post them for you.

Email address?

elkhunter11 12-09-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3889020)
I know but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t have gotten one. It was living in a bush good for mules. I have seen a few taken out of here over the years

How many of those so called hybrids were verified by a biologist

Bushmaster 12-09-2018 12:29 PM

I'll PM it to you.

remingtonusa 12-09-2018 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster (Post 3889034)
I'll PM it to you.

Email sent to you. Thanks I appreciate that

Bushmaster 12-09-2018 01:30 PM

Here's the pics I was sent by Remington.

https://i.imgur.com/MCEFEbM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/23IQu4M.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5EaYX4d.jpg

catnthehat 12-09-2018 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by remingtonusa (Post 3889004)
This one has really coarse hair. I wish I could post pics of what I’m talking about on here

Fine and dandy but what did the tail look like .
That would be the definitive detail fir deciding in the field what tag to put on it and if you had a tag for it .:sHa_shakeshout:
Cat

Peebles 12-09-2018 03:30 PM

Three head pictures and none show the gland. Even with that view it would be tricky, but a mule deer has a deeper and longer preorbital (tear) gland. If there were signs of that it might indicate that this ordinary whitetail was a hybrid instead.

blgoodbrand1 12-09-2018 03:30 PM

Any field pics? Pics of the whole deer?


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Dick284 12-09-2018 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Bushmaster (Post 3889076)

Pretty un definitive I’d say.

OP, do you have any real pictures of this deer?

Like of the whole head and antlers, and of the whole body, and preferably the butt end.......

Why is this whole thread mired in quasi secrecy?

nube 12-09-2018 03:40 PM

What is with so many people this year thinking they shot a hybrid deer? I'm starting to wonder how many people have trouble identifying deer these days

crazy_davey 12-09-2018 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nube (Post 3889139)
I'm starting to wonder how many people have trouble identifying deer these days

Same here.

elkhunter11 12-09-2018 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nube (Post 3889139)
What is with so many people this year thinking they shot a hybrid deer? I'm starting to wonder how many people have trouble identifying deer these days

It makes a person wonder.

buckbrush 12-09-2018 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nube (Post 3889139)
What is with so many people this year thinking they shot a hybrid deer? I'm starting to wonder how many people have trouble identifying deer these days

I was wondering the same thing. Thousands of deer I have watched both up close and through glass, not one ever came off as a hybrid.

Hybrid threads outnumber Power Engineer threads this year!

HunterDave 12-09-2018 04:42 PM

In Ontario we called those dark whitetail deer “bush bucks”. The farmland ones were brown like most here but the bush bucks were always dark like that. Ears and brow tine look WT to me......it’s just darker than most.

Joe Black 12-09-2018 05:45 PM

Did it jump, hop, jump and hop, or jump then hop(or hop then jump) before you shot it?


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