.257 or .270?
 

im going to buy a new rifle right away, looking for a mid-size. already own the big boys 45-70 , 300 win , and the smaller ones , 223- 243. some in between. im wondering , the difference between a .257 weatherby mag and say a .270 win , or .270 wsm? any info would be a help.

i don't know much about the other calibers but i shoot a .270 win and love it, great all around gun and shoots like a dream. Minimal kick and great accuracy with good speed. I shoot 130 grain nosler bullets for deer.

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With the rifles that you have I'd sell the 223 and the 243.......replace them with the 257wby.

The 300wmag you already have crushes both 270's in all aspects.

Add a 22-250 and we'll have the same gun cabinet :D

tm

Do you relaod or are you a factory ammo kind of guy?

With WTBY ammo being what it is for cost you best be a handloader if you want one.

270WSM is real fun, heck I have one, but again way cooler if reloaded. This is where I'd go with my choice, the brass life is insane, I've got close to 8 loadings on my brass, and know other shooters who have exceeded 10 loadings per piece. Factory published numbers are do able with normally and often in stock powders too.

270Win is a proven performer, but about as exciting as vanilla ice cream. It is what is most often recommended to non handloaders who want what your looking for.

if you want another rifle, go out and buy it!
Any of the above would be great, but will do nothing more in reality than the 300 on the upper end or the .223 on the lower end.

The 243 is the only one in that bunch I'd junk, simply because the .270 and 257WTBY are much better deer rifles.
The 22/250 is a long range varminter, most of the shots a person takes calling and spotting coyotes can be taken with the .223.
just my experience, mind you, I've owned all except the 270WSM, but shoot a caliber very close to it .
I get better trajectory with match in my 6.5WSM .
Cat

I love the .257 Weatherby. The price of brass alone may scare you though.:)

I'm confused.... You have a goodly number of rifles spanning the range already. You can take any game around with those. You want another gun, yet don't even know what you want and can't say why. What would you like to hunt that those rifles can't handle? If you simply want a new peice of wood and steel in your safe, simply go to WSS and say "I would like to buy a gun, any gun. You pick it please. Here's my PAL and MasterCard".

Like Layne Simpson says: "From mice to moose, the .257 Weatherby can do it all." There is just something so cool about seeing that .25 cal bullet in that big fat Weatherby case.

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see, i made a huge mistake when i first started buying my own guns, bought my first when i was 19, and went with the 300 win right from the start, then i bought a 45-70. what ended up happening was i started developing a fairly bad flinch. just getting ready to have my shoulder beaten off. the 223 was given to me , and i take it to the range once in awhile. i bought a 243 as a response to the flinching. i find it pretty light weight though. my buddy shoots a 270 for everything and loves it. id like a gun in this class and kinda put everything else away or sell a few, a couple almost never get used.

how expensive is expensive for good factory ammo with 257 or 270 wsm?

oh , very nice gun by the way.

With the right ammo the .270 WSM stays right with the .300 win mag, it doesn't crush it, thats why I purchased one, and is now my favorite rifle in the cabinet, I would highly reccomend it.:)

factory wby ammo is about $4 per shot,
new wby brass is about $2 each, and they only last 2,3 or 4 shots, then junkm.
you have to have the mindset that it is a 1/4 mile dragster and you dont use a blown and injected top fueller for getting groceries.
the laws of physics dictate that hi performance equals hi $.

the 270wsm is a cool cartridge and i think it here to stay IMO

Jaylow
If it is a recoil problem I was turned onto 7-08 and love it. Great rifle for any of the big game animals you will find in Alberta. The factory ammo will be cheaper then the .257 and less of a recoil then the .270WSM.
my 2 cents
gramps

i was actually just looking at one the other day. really curious about them.
how would you compare the recoil to a 30-30 or a .308?

I own a pile of guns that I use. One I don't own anymore is a .223-.224 of any kind, because my .243 with 58 gr Varminators or 55 gr Bal S'Tips outshoots all of them and packs more punch at long range with less wind drift. I don't own any quarter-bores, as my .270 takes care of anything they can do but better - more bullet. The .300 Win Mag is now my go-to gun for most big game, and I beg to differ with a previous post but a .270 WSM will NOT do what the .30 mags can do. The other gun I grab a lot is a 7mm Rem Mag - great long range deer caliber. What gramps said about the 7mm-08 is right on the money. It's a great cartridge - mild recoil, accurate, deadly with 139,140 and 154 grain bullets. light and fast handling, and mine performs great with a 22" barrel (as opposed to any Weatherby which really needs a 26" to outperform other similar calibers). IMO the best first big game caliber for anybody, much more than the 6mm or quarter bores because of the high SD and/or BC of 7mm bullets. Search some of the previous threads on the 7-08 and you'll see why we who use one love the damned things so much. Very underrated, but catching on fast. With the modern mentality of blazing speed and light bullets being the only considerations and the current short magnum craze (that in all reality do effectively nothing a lot of more conventional cartridges won't do), the 7-08 is a real treat. Then there's the 7X57 - if you handload it's a truly great cartridge.

In my opinion, for an all around gun the 270 win is the best of the three you mentioned there simply because of the availibility and low cost of amunition. 257 weatherby amunition is pretty pricey and realatively hard to find, also as was already stated it requires a pretty long barrel making a poorer choice in many situations. The 270 wsm is pretty good but still needs a bit longer barrel to show much improvement over the 270 win and the amunition costs quite a bit more, my opinion on that round is that its real world hunting efectiveness is pretty negligable over the standard round despite its exciting numbers on paper. I dont own a 7-08 but if I were in your situation all over again it would probably be my choice. Despite its amunition being less widely availible than the 270 it has noticibly less recoil and seems to put down moose just as well, also performs good from a short barrel, I'v been craving a Browning BLR in 7-08 for a long time. One of these years

My .270WSM is incredibly accurate, but then again, I'm a marksman with anything that I shoot. :lol:

Jaylow
To be honst I do not notice the difference between my sons .243 and my 7-08. I know that there is a bit of kick not bad at all. It also offers you a wide range of different grains up to i think 150 grain. There is allot of guys on this page that shoot them for anything from deer to moose good all around rifle.
Gramps

so i guess as it is now for me , its between the 270 wsm. and 7mm-08
just from what people i work with and what people here have been saying.

i think it'll either be a browning a bolt eclipse in 270 wsm
or a remington cdl custom deluxe in 7mm-08.

im gonna let the comapny buy my new rifle when the bonuses get handed out here at christmas. the rem is a little less expensive. but the eclipse is really nice and has a nice heavy barrel, as well the thumb hole. i dont know , both really nice guns.

Just finished some load workups for a guy, owns a Rem 700 7mm-08stainless/synthetic with a 24" bbl. Wouldn't shoot under 3" - really nice trigger though. Obvious solutions - torque and clean everything, and scrubbed the hell out of the bore (CR-10 did it real well). It's now pushing a 140 Accubond and a 139 SST at just under 2900 fps, and a lot more forgiving with different combinations than my $200 Stevens ever was. Got it down to 4 loads that all will do under 0.75" 100 meter groups off bags. I'm impressed cause I'm not the world's greatest bench shooter. There ain't much walking around out there that can take a 140 grain quality bullet at 2900 fps and the recoil is quite noticeably less than a buddy of mine's .270 WSM. I just prefer the bigger selection of the 7mm bullets - very efficient. High BC's and unreal SD's when you need them.
My final $.02 worth....

257 Roy or 270 win
 

I have had both but only kept one and that is the 257 Roy, in a stainless vanguard ordered Boyds thumbhole stock and it shoots quaters at a 100 yards with reloads. I shot 6 deer and none of them moved from where I hit them.

I have shot more than 30 big game animals with the .270 WCF and I owned a 270 WSM too. The WSM could only beat the WCFby about 150fps with all grains when handloaded and that amounts to poot on game. Shoot the WCF with 60gr of H4831sc and a 130gr TSX and go kill some deer/elk/moose/elephants/whatever. That cartridge has served too many good hunters well. And it'll cost you half the price the other ones will to load in the end.

257 Roy or 270 win
 

Did I say 270 wsm or am I missing something ?

so , i got a good deal on a gun . ended up with a 270 win after all that.
went with the remington cdl . nice gun, laminate ,stainless fluted barrell. think i might put a 4-16x50 monarch on her. thanks for all the tips and info. its great to have a place like this where you can get lots of different input from all different kinds of hunters.

another .25 you might want to look at is the 25.06..... less recoil than the bee and brass can be made from just about anything.... loaded with 85 gr makes a good coyote gun.....

i have 270wsm it preforms very well on deer:)

Didn't mean to start a whizzin match but are you pushing 180gr bullets at 3200fps out of your 270wsm??

My point was that the 300wmag out does everything that a 270wsm will do...plus bring in heavier bullets that are not made for the 270.

CRUSH was probably too strong of a word.....but you'ld be have a pretty tough time finding any category that the 270 is equal to or better than the 300 (well, bolt throw I guess ;))

tm