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Ken07AOVette 12-13-2019 01:22 PM

'Forced firearm confiscation partial financial reimbursement' explained in 21 words.
 
[img=https://postimages.org/]https://i.postimg.cc/tgNzQxdt/buyback.jpg[/img]

Smoky buck 12-13-2019 01:42 PM

Do not comply I have nothing else to say but Trudeau can get bent

CaberTosser 12-13-2019 01:47 PM

I would like for them to provide 30 years of crime statistics of every type of gun that they plan to ban, or statistics going back to when the gun model was first manufactured if its a design younger than 30. I think #'s like those would show what a non-issue they are in the hands of lawful owners. Numbers like this might even be understood by the unwashed masses who don't know about firearms, as opposed to those who are intentionally mis-educated on the matter who simply run on their compulsive hatred of them.

Statistics should be broken into a number of categories but all would fall under whether the user was licensed or not (two columns from there down).

Next statistic to bear in a separate category is to either totally exclude or at least record in its own column where the firearm was only used in a suicide (ie: a murder/suicide would fall in the murder category).

Next subcategories are by firearm model. Why ban something that's virtually never been a problem in Canada to be owned by people who have never been problems? A statistical anomaly such as a single illegal use should not prove a valid reason to ban anything.

Masterchief 12-13-2019 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaberTosser (Post 4073846)
I would like for them to provide 30 years of crime statistics of every type of gun that they plan to ban, or statistics going back to when the gun model was first manufactured if its a design younger than 30. I think #'s like those would show what a non-issue they are in the hands of lawful owners. Numbers like this might even be understood by the unwashed masses who don't know about firearms, as opposed to those who are intentionally mis-educated on the matter who simply run on their compulsive hatred of them.

Statistics should be broken into a number of categories but all would fall under whether the user was licensed or not (two columns from there down).

Next statistic to bear in a separate category is to either totally exclude or at least record in its own column where the firearm was only used in a suicide (ie: a murder/suicide would fall in the murder category).

Next subcategories are by firearm model. Why ban something that's virtually never been a problem in Canada to be owned by people who have never been problems? A statistical anomaly such as a single illegal use should not prove a valid reason to ban anything.

I would really like to see those statistics, but they will never release the data, as it will show there is no issue with most guns

guysmiley 12-13-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken07AOVette (Post 4073840)
[img=https://postimages.org/]https://i.postimg.cc/tgNzQxdt/buyback.jpg[/img]

Are we making this into a T-shirt?

liar 12-13-2019 02:31 PM

:angry3:

Ken07AOVette 12-13-2019 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guysmiley (Post 4073856)
Are we making this into a T-shirt?

I would imagine the NFA has something in the works, and they will be all over Fecebook soon to be sure.

raab 12-13-2019 03:05 PM

Does anyone have a list of what they want to buy back?

Redneck 7 12-13-2019 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raab (Post 4073882)
Does anyone have a list of what they want to buy back?

They’re not providing a list so there isn’t a big stock up before they ban them. Talking about military style semi auto rifles and then handguns are next.

guysmiley 12-13-2019 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raab (Post 4073882)
Does anyone have a list of what they want to buy back?

Not even Mr Blair... at least not one he's willing to share.

And his reason is even more hilarious. Doesn't want to cause a "panic buy".

Grizzly Adams 12-13-2019 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raab (Post 4073882)
Does anyone have a list of what they want to buy back?

In the end, it will be sling shots. :D

Grizz

KGB 12-13-2019 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grizzly Adams (Post 4073897)
In the end, it will be sling shots. :D

Grizz

Loaded with cotton balls...

elkhunter11 12-13-2019 04:00 PM

Compliance has been terrible in New Zealand, why would they expect any different result here?

https://www.newsweek.com/new-zealand...m-guns-1469405

And it appears that the buyback system, has created more of a risk of stolen firearms ending up in the hands of criminals.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...er-data-breach

adriel 12-13-2019 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Masterchief (Post 4073849)
I would really like to see those statistics, but they will never release the data, as it will show there is no issue with most guns

They do not have data that comprehensive. Even the data they do have is extremely bad.

Boundless_84 12-13-2019 04:16 PM

We need to stop calling it a buy back. They cannot buy back property that was never theirs in the first place. This is confiscation. It won't be presented as such, but effectively that is what it will be.

2 Tollers 12-13-2019 04:46 PM

So there is not enough taxpayer dollars to help veterans, seniors, homeless or clean up water on reserves but there is enough taxpayer dollars to pay for the confiscation of legally acquired firearms that have never been used in any crime.

How does this make any sense to anyone except a eastern Liberal that will do anything to stay in power?

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saskbooknut 12-13-2019 04:46 PM

Please stop looking for logic or statistics supporting this move. This is a crass political move, playing to an accepting audience, that has nothing to do with crime.
Sad to say, lawful firearms owners are pawns in a game.

Zip 12-13-2019 04:53 PM

We are behind the 8 ball here, or at least those of you that have firearms.. it’s just a matter of time before they come knocking....nice that we have no vote or say what happens to to us.. I’m glad I got rid of everything a few years ago now.. so I’m good
Zip:)

Rhino81 12-13-2019 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by saskbooknut (Post 4073929)
Please stop looking for logic or statistics supporting this move. This is a crass political move, playing to an accepting audience, that has nothing to do with crime.
Sad to say, lawful firearms owners are pawns in a game.

He is saying that there will not be a return of the long gun registry. So that’s good

graybeard 12-13-2019 05:32 PM

Anytime I hear this idiot Turdeau on the radio or his face shows up anywhere, I get nauseous....When his mouth moves, he is either lying or screwing us.

Jason Bourne 12-13-2019 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rhino81 (Post 4073940)
He is saying that there will not be a return of the long gun registry. So that’s good

"He" is also a politician......

Ebrand 12-13-2019 05:41 PM

Idiots
 
You cannot buy what is not for sale.

saskbooknut 12-13-2019 05:44 PM

No long gun registry?
Have you ever been lied to before, by Trudeau?

huntinstuff 12-13-2019 05:51 PM

Come knock

Please come knock

walking buffalo 12-13-2019 06:54 PM

It's not a "buyback".
Stop calling it that.

The NFA should heed this advice.

YYC338 12-13-2019 07:18 PM

Asking law abiding citizens to participate in a buy back program while criminals will undoubtedly hang on to their guns and use them?

It's like getting yourself castrated because your neighbor has too many kids.

Ken07AOVette 12-13-2019 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by walking buffalo (Post 4073987)
It's not a "buyback".
Stop calling it that.

The NFA should heed this advice.

Fixed.

Once I was forced to relinquish a prohibited firearm, was allowed to take it to Milarm. It was a very nice Browning .25.
In hindsight I should have parted it out and handed them a welded up frame. I could have let a 6 year old try mig welding on it.

Milarm got a very nice little toy that day.

:mad3:

trophybook 12-13-2019 08:07 PM

People could band together and form the people's army of Canada and overthrow the current government in a heartbeat. I bet there would be little resistance

Ken07AOVette 12-13-2019 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trophybook (Post 4074018)
People could band together and form the people's army of Canada and overthrow the current government in a heartbeat. I bet there would be little resistance

My eyebrow is stuck 2" higher than the other one from reading that. Actually hurt to try and wrap my poor little brain around your thinking.

4 Military bases in Alberta, all Federal. 6 more out of Alberta and jets could be here in minutes.

The people's militia of Albertastan would be wiped out in minutes.

I am honestly amazed there have been no 'plots' reported. "The man acted alone" ifkwim.

6.5 shooter 12-13-2019 09:00 PM

I would just like to thank all the members on this forum and others who voted Liberal this election and last.......Well done.... hope your happy and proud you could help with this charade.


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