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pikergolf 05-18-2018 11:20 AM

Another school shooting in the States
 
This world is getting to be a sad place.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/texas-h...port-1.4668686

bat119 05-18-2018 12:37 PM

Sounds like a kid with known problems

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told local NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit.

"He wears a trench coat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.
Pagourtzis, Severin added, was the victim of bullying — and not just by other students.
"He's been picked on by coaches before, for smelling bad and stuff like that," Severin said. "And he doesn't really talk to very many people either. He keeps to himself."

And it will be the guns fault as usual

6.5 shooter 05-18-2018 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by bat119 (Post 3787250)
Sounds like a kid with known problems

Dustin Severin, a 17-year-old student, told local NBC affiliate KPRC that he saw Pagourtzis in the hallway shortly before the bullets started flying — and that he was wearing his usual outfit.

"He wears a trench coat every day, and it's like 90 degrees out here," Severin said.
Pagourtzis, Severin added, was the victim of bullying — and not just by other students.
"He's been picked on by coaches before, for smelling bad and stuff like that," Severin said. "And he doesn't really talk to very many people either. He keeps to himself."

And it will be the guns fault as usual


Yes I am sure mental issues, sexual abuse?, or a hundred other factors will never be discussed....but that DANG firearm...will be the problem...no doubt !

Newview01 05-18-2018 04:11 PM

This is big news.

Funny how the major school shooting that was prevented this week by an armed school resource officer was not deemed very newsworthy. Pathetic actually.

CaberTosser 05-18-2018 04:36 PM

It's too bad that it would be next to impossible to suppress coverage of such events. The perps are seeking their minute of fame and perhaps either sympathy or scorn of either the masses or their deviant online friends. If these never got the coverage that they do we'd likely see a bigger drop in them than if firearms were banned. Keep in mind that such coverage would also have to be suppressed for any type of mass killing, regardless of the type of weapon selected by the perpetrator (firearm, vehicle, bladed weapon, bomb, etc)

TimeOff 05-18-2018 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CaberTosser (Post 3787335)
It's too bad that it would be next to impossible to suppress coverage of such events. The perps are seeking their minute of fame and perhaps either sympathy or scorn of either the masses or their deviant online friends. If these never got the coverage that they do we'd likely see a bigger drop in them than if firearms were banned. Keep in mind that such coverage would also have to be suppressed for any type of mass killing, regardless of the type of weapon selected by the perpetrator (firearm, vehicle, bladed weapon, bomb, etc)

Thats a very good point. These mass anything all boil down to drawing attention. Whether its Knife, Gun, Truck or Bomb. From the high school introvert, to ISIS, they want the attention in the end. Take that away and a lot of the reason for doing it would be gone.

Scott h 05-18-2018 06:26 PM

Yawn......just another day in the good ol US of A:thinking-006::thinking-006:

Lites out 05-18-2018 06:41 PM

signs
 
First off , how accountable should the father be?? He would know the kids temperment better than anyone,so should it be his problem? Lets say that he did have insight that his son was capable of this, should his guns have been unobtainable... I sure think so . Not only was it stated that the little bastards hygeine was lacking but was wearing a born to kill t shirt. Really seems like a parenting problem(or lack of)and his parents should be held accountable.He is not an adult and someone should be held responsible for this lousey future generation as so many feel that they need to take lives of the total innocent! There is just no action taken on lowlifes in their country and ours which is why this **** happens! I say" Stiffer penalties all around" and lets take back this once semi normal society

TomP 05-18-2018 06:46 PM

Tragic. Sick of seeing this...

6.5 shooter 05-18-2018 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 3787385)
Yawn......just another day in the good ol US of A:thinking-006::thinking-006:

Yup bad stuff only happens to them Danm yanks......must be something in the way they say yeehaw and thank you ma'am...... or go to church on Sundays with the wife and kids.... Nothing bad ever happens any where else....:snapoutofit:

6.5 shooter 05-18-2018 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lites out (Post 3787389)
First off , how accountable should the father be?? He would know the kids temperment better than anyone,so should it be his problem? Lets say that he did have insight that his son was capable of this, should his guns have been unobtainable... I sure think so . Not only was it stated that the little bastards hygeine was lacking but was wearing a born to kill t shirt. Really seems like a parenting problem(or lack of)and his parents should be held accountable.He is not an adult and someone should be held responsible for this lousey future generation as so many feel that they need to take lives of the total innocent! There is just no action taken on lowlifes in their country and ours which is why this **** happens! I say" Stiffer penalties all around" and lets take back this once semi normal society

SO your saying we should string up the son for the actions of the father or is it the father who should be hung for the actions of his son? :sHa_sarcasticlol:

Scott h 05-18-2018 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter (Post 3787452)
Yup bad stuff only happens to them Danm yanks......must be something in the way they say yeehaw and thank you ma'am...... or go to church on Sundays with the wife and kids.... Nothing bad ever happens any where else....:snapoutofit:

Might be the going to church part cuz they pray every time there is a mass shooting down there.......and that seems to be every couple of weeks

brendan's dad 05-18-2018 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6.5 shooter (Post 3787452)
Yup bad stuff only happens to them Danm yanks......must be something in the way they say yeehaw and thank you ma'am...... or go to church on Sundays with the wife and kids.... Nothing bad ever happens any where else....:snapoutofit:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

To have 31% of the mass shooting worldwide might be a problem???????

Bub 05-18-2018 11:51 PM

Can't really say I was in shock when I saw the news. I actually did not even bother to check any of the articles beyond a few headlines. One of them, by the way, stated something along the lines of "The deadliest mass shooting in the US since February when blah blah in Florida."

From the few things I saw in the posts above (maybe completely untrue), the thing could have been prevented if our southern neighbours had minimal firearm storage requirements. Not sure what really happened (and can't really say that I am too interested in finding out because, like I said, another one bites the dust and there will in all likelihood be another one in a month or two), but if the gun(s) belong to a parent and were easily available, the parent should be responsible and should be sued by the victims' families until butt naked. Perhaps others will then think just a little harder, but it is highly unlikely because

https://i.imgur.com/GCShAw0.gif

P.S. No, I am not antigun and whatever. I own quite a few firearms and am not happy with what is being proposed by our country's leaders in terms of firearm legislation.

Newview01 05-18-2018 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 3787479)
Might be the going to church part cuz they pray every time there is a mass shooting down there.......and that seems to be every couple of weeks

Quote:

Originally Posted by brendan's dad (Post 3787505)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

To have 31% of the mass shooting worldwide might be a problem???????

There is obviously a problem. Too bad so many people don't see it for what it is.

Bub 05-18-2018 11:53 PM

^ What is it?

elkhunter11 05-19-2018 06:40 AM

Not as much coverage as I would have expected, there probably would have been a lot more coverage if the shooter had used an AR-15. And as expected, almost no coverage on the situation where an armed officer prevented a shooting. It seems that the media coverage is determined by the presence of a political agenda, and the mental issues that result in these incidents seem to be ignored as the media attacks firearms.

covey ridge 05-19-2018 08:16 AM

Those guns should have been locked up and the perp should never have access.

Newview01 05-19-2018 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bub (Post 3787512)
^ What is it?

Mental illness, full stop.

A normal person does not have a desire for mass murder.

Newview01 05-19-2018 08:41 AM

There are crazies everywhere regardless of firearms laws.

http://lethbridgeherald.com/news/wor...stern-germany/

Quote:


BERLIN – German media are reporting two people have been killed in a shooting near the southwestern city of Saarbruecken.

The Saarbruecker Zeitung newspaper reported Saturday that police have a suspect in custody.

The newspaper reports the shooting was in Fechingen, southeast of the city.

Further details are not immediately available.


sns2 05-19-2018 09:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott h (Post 3787385)
Yawn......just another day in the good ol US of A:thinking-006::thinking-006:

This response is sickening. 9 young people were struck down in the prime of their life. Save your crass, tasteless comments for some other forum. This crap is not needed nor tolerated here. Full stop.

sns2 05-19-2018 09:21 AM

Warning
 
Posts have been deleted. Suspensions have been given out. There will be absolutely no patience given for tasteless, ignorant comments when discussing the cutting down of young people in the prime of life. This is an outdoors forum, and gun control will always be allowed as a topic, but not on this subject. Period. There are some people on this thread who are very close to being banned, but think it won't happen because they walk the line and skirt the rules. There also seems to be a mindset among some that this forum will be lost without your stupid comments. There are over 68,000 members on this forum. Trust me. It will go on without you. Grow up or do us all a favor and move on.

hal53 05-19-2018 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sns2 (Post 3787612)
This response is sickening. 9 young people were struck down in the prime of their life. Save your crass, tasteless comments for some other forum. This crap is not needed nor tolerated here. Full stop.

Finally...:sHa_shakeshout:

sns2 05-19-2018 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bub (Post 3787510)
... One of them, by the way, stated something along the lines of "The deadliest mass shooting in the US since February when blah blah in Florida."

Not sure what really happened (and can't really say that I am too interested in finding out because, like I said, another one bites the dust and there will in all likelihood be another one in a month or two)...

This response is sickening. 9 young people were struck down in the prime of their life, and you say another one bites the dust. Save your crass, tasteless comments for some other forum. This crap is not needed nor tolerated here. Full stop.

buckbrush 05-19-2018 09:51 AM

Thoughts go out to the families of the children involved. Truly heart breaking.

elkhunter11 05-19-2018 12:04 PM

It is unfortunate, but the fact is that mental illness isn't going to disappear anytime soon, and this type of thing will continue to happen as a result. As to blaming the father who owned the firearms, I don't know how the firearms were stored, or how the 17 year old accessed them, so I will withhold comment on that. I do know that when I was 17, the current regulations did not exist, and I had access to the household firearms, as did most people my age. Some of the people condemning the father, likely had legal access to firearms as well, when they were 17.

KGB 05-19-2018 12:12 PM

I would say that the father of the boy screwed up big time! The kid definently had issues and his parents couldn’t have noticed it. The father should’ve kept his guns locked! The child shouldn’t have an access to the weapons. Tragedies like this one are totally avoidable if only the parents have done their part!

whiteout 05-19-2018 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KGB (Post 3787682)
I would say that the father of the boy screwed up big time! The kid definently had issues and his parents couldn’t have noticed it. The father should’ve kept his guns locked! The child shouldn’t have an access to the weapons. Tragedies like this one are totally avoidable if only the parents have done their part!

Has the news reported that he got the gun from unlocked storage in the home? Pretty big conclusion to jump to and blame the parents.

Always the chance that it was purchased illegally, or it was stolen from secured storage in the home.

270person 05-19-2018 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brendan's dad (Post 3787505)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_s..._United_States

To have 31% of the mass shooting worldwide might be a problem???????



This is the 22nd US school shooting since the beginning of the year, and the third instance in eight days in which a gunman was on a school campus.

The U.S. has a problem unlike anywhere else in the civilized world and with each incidence there's lots of hand wringing and ballyhooing at the start and then....nothing. As long as they continue doing nothing, which is highly likely with the doofus they have running the show, nothing will change.

Maybe it's just inherent in the U.S. psyche.

Newview01 05-19-2018 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by 270person (Post 3787693)
This is the 22nd US school shooting since the beginning of the year, and the third instance in eight days in which a gunman was on a school campus.

The U.S. has a problem unlike anywhere else in the civilized world and with each incidence there's lots of hand wringing and ballyhooing at the start and then....nothing. As long as they continue doing nothing, which is highly likely with the doofus they have running the show, nothing will change.

Maybe it's just inherent in the U.S. psyche.

Define school shooting.

Get your facts straight before you try to promote a shallow
and misleading agenda.

You blame the "psyche" in the US for the disproportionate amount of school shootings, what do you blame for the disproportionate amount of terrorism in other countries?


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